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If a Sanguinary Priest attached to a Assault Squad gets attacked by a Genestealer unit and the 'Stealers allocated attacks to the Priest and roll them first, does the unit still get fnp from the Priest if the Priest died? All the Marines would be getting attacked at the same time, the Priest would just be in a seperate fight.

If a unit of Dark Eldar Beastmasters are behind Venoms or Ravagers would they get a cover save? You're not exactly firing at the Venoms but through them.

Thanks

The Stealers all need to roll attacks simultaneously from the same I step. So, yes, the squad would get FNP on the same I step that the Priest bites the dust. In any subsequent I step, the squad would not have FNP.

For the Beastmasters, yes, they would get a cover save. Firing through a squad grants a 4+ cover save.

You dont "roll" the I6 attacks on the IC first, you are rolling them at the same time - I6. If you want to drop the IC first you need an I7 broodlord in there.

Ok guys thanks.

Now on the Venoms, you're firing under the Venoms not through them. Would the Beastmasters still get a cover save as you're firing under the skimmers. Just seems a bit odd that you would.

If LOS is even partially blocked, yes; if not, no.
iirc swarms are the only exception to TLOS, and even then only sort of.

mercer wrote:Ok guys thanks.

Now on the Venoms, you're firing under the Venoms not through them. Would the Beastmasters still get a cover save as you're firing under the skimmers. Just seems a bit odd that you would.

For Firing under: If any part of the Target model(or any part of 50% or greater of the target Models for units) is obscured in any way from 50% or greater of the Firing models by the Venom, then the unit has cover.

For firing "through" the gaps in the Venom's hull; yes read page 21 "intervening models" in the BRB for details.

In fact the BRB page 21 answers both questions.

LOS could be blocked thanks to the Beastmasters, Khymerae and Razorwings wouldn't be covered. Wouldn't you need 50% of the unit covered though?

yes, Minimum 50% of Target from 50% of Shooter rules still apply in any case.

50% of the target MODELS, just to be precise - even if each model is only obscured 1%

nosferatu1001 wrote:50% of the target MODELS, just to be precise - even if each model is only obscured 1%

This is absolutely correct; I should have restated it in this manner but I had mentioned it in the previous post and referenced the Page# so didn't(although it was necessary in retrospect so as to not make the statements confusingly separate).

As far as the Swarm rules redundancy Kirsanth remarked on: Vehicles and MCs require 50% of the Models to be covered from TLOS, Which most swarms cannot provide uless they are on a Hill that covers about 48%(usually), at which pointyou gain either Intervening models, nor the Hill cover saves to the vehicle/MC; and a vehicle/MC unit would require 50% or more of the MC/Vehicles to be 50% or more obscured by TLOS.

I thought so. Well Beastmasters behind Venoms definately isn't going to work.

Btw - Razorwings aren't swarms.

mercer wrote:Btw - Razorwings aren't swarms.

Which is why TLoS is all that matters, not whether it is a skimmer or any other such nonsense. Swarms are the single exception I can find to the totally called for response of "You always use TLOS, it does not matter if it is a skimmer."
The second part is true, the first part is not.

You wrote "as you are firing under the skimmers" like it matters what the unit type is.
It does, but only if one of the types is "swarm."

Right. So in this case the Venoms won't cover 50% of the Beastmasters, so they wouldn't get cover.

mercer wrote:Right. So in this case the Venoms won't cover 50% of the Beastmasters, so they wouldn't get cover.

Probably?
It depends on how you mean that.
If the Venom's do not cover a sliver of of a relevant part of 50% of the Beastmasters, sure.

If 50% of the models in a (non-vehicle/MC) unit can claim a cover save--which does NOT mean 50% of each model is blocked--then there is a save.

But that is in the rules too.

Cover saves are generally very easy to claim.

Not they wouldn't then. Only three Beastmasters would be 50% covered while 6 Razorwing Flocks and 5 Khymerae wouldn't be covered at all.

rules for cover check if the models are in cover ... if 50%+ are in cover the whole unit gains a cover save. Vehicles and Monstrous creatures require 50% of the model to be cover for them to gain a cover save.

With that in mind bend down to the hight of your models (or buy a laser pen) and check to see if you have clear LOS (note at this point MC&V would only count if they are +50% ... other models may gain a save through area terrain). If you don't check to see if more then 50% of your unit can see the other unit clearly. If the unit has more then 50% cover save from 50% of the unit then they all get a cover save ... otherwise they don't. If its close to 50/50 then downgrade the save by one.