What happened to all the primarchs?

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**monkeypuzzle**

I know, or think I know what happened to most of the primarchs but have some definate gaps. Can you guys fill them in.

1 Lion El'Jonson - Sleeping inside the Rock? Any chance he will wake up?
2
3 Fulgrim - Soul trapped by a daemon or Daemon Prince? - Is he fully turned to Chaos or is he trapped? Can he escape?
4 Perturabo - Daemon Prince - going strong
5 Jaghatai Khan - Lost in the webway/captured by dark eldar - Is he dead?
6 Leman Russ - Somewhere in the Eye of Terror - Is he dead? Is he coming back?
7 Rogal Dorn - Died fighting Chaos after the Horus Heresy - Only his hand is left.
8 Konrad Kurze - Allowed himself to be assassinated by M'Shen
9 Sanguinious - Killed by Horus
10 Ferrus Manus - Killed by Fulgrim
11
12 Angron - Daemon Prince - going strong
13 Roboute Guilliman - On life support and very slowly getting better. Is that on Ultramar?
14 Mortarion - Daemon Prince - going strong
15 Magnus the Red - Daemon Prince - going strong
16 Horus - Killed by the Emperor
17 Lorgar - Daemon Prince - going strong
18 Vulkan - Just went away? My bet for the Necron conversation starter/table decoration
19 Corax - Disappeared into the Eye of Terror whilst quoting Edgar Allen Poe?
20 Alpharius Omegon - Possibly Identical Twins, one might be dead. No more info. Are they/he Daemon Princes? Are they still part of the Cabal's plans?

**iproxtaco**

I'll quote myself from a thread we had ON THE EXACT SAME TOPIC JUST THIS WEEK.

iproxtaco wrote:Lion El’Jonson - Sleeping beneath the Rock, what remains of the Dark Angels homeworld. Only the Emperor and the Watchers in the Dark, some sort of Xenos, know his location.

Fulgrim - Possessed by a Slannesh Daemon. The true Fulgrim is trapped in his mind and has to watch the atrocities the Daemon commits. The Daemon is with Slannesh, having a great time. Not at all bothered about the Imperium or his Legion, more concerned with is own activities and Slannesh's power.

Perturabo - Daemon Prince Undivided, sits and broods in his massive fortress on the Iron Warriors world of Medregard in the Eye of Terror. Again, not that bothered about the Imperium, but shows some interest in what his Legion is up to.

Jaghatai Khan - MIA. Last seen running after some Dark Eldar into the Webway. There are rumours of a giant unbeatable warrior that performs in the arenas in Cammoragh.

Leman Russ - MIA. He apparently just stood up one day and took the 13th Space Wolves Great Company into the Eye of Terror, leaving only Bjorn behind to carry on his legacy. Presumably he went to find Magnus and the Thousand Sons. Magnus hints that his condition isn't ideal in Battle of the Fang.

Rogal Dorn - KIA. He was killed when assaulting a huge Chaos warship. Although, there are some rumours that only his hands were recovered, which throws the previous conclusion into the realm of uncertainty.

Konrad Curze/Night Haunter - Killed by the Culexis Assassin M'shen on Tsagualsa.

Sanguinius - KIA. Horus killed him on the Vengeful Spirit during the assault on Terra by traitors of the Heresy.

Ferrus Manus - KIA. Fulgrim, on behest of the Daemon in the Laer sword, killed Ferrus on Istvaan V and presented his head to Horus as a trophy and a sign of trust. There is a rumour that his body was never accounted for, and that the Mechanicus may have taken it to Mars.

Angron- Deamon Prince of Khorne. The only traitor still concerned with attacking the Imperium, although he probably fights anywhere and anyone.

Roboute Guilliman - Mortally wounded by Fulgrim sometime after the Heresy. Fulgrim cut his throat using the Anathema blade which is effective against Primarchs. He was put in stasis to prevent his death, but can't be saved by the Imperium. Maybe only the Emperor can save him. In universe rumours say he is healing but in stasis this is impossible. Once released, he will die.

Mortarion - Daemon Prince of Nurgle. Resides over his own planet in the Eye of Terror, a perfect recreation of Barbarus, his old home-world. Apparently makes his way out of the Warp sometimes, but was banished by Kaldor Draigo.

Magnus the Red - Daemon Prince of Tzeentch. Resides over what is left of his Legion on the Planet of the Sorcerers in the Eye of Terror. Spends most of his time contemplating the nature of Chaos, scheming, and helping his god with stuff in the Warp, but occasionally makes his way out to enact revenge on the Space Wolves.

Horus - Killed by the Emperor at the Siege of Terra. His being was completely obliterated, he no longer exists.

Lorgar- Daemon Prince Undivided. Currently on Sicarus, the Word Bearers world in the Eye of Terror. Spends most of his time writing new stuff about Chaos and just generally helping the different Gods do their thing. He could in the future take a much more provident role in the universe. Read Dark Creed for more.

Vulkan - MIA. No one really know anything about him. He survived the Heresy, then disappeared. We will apparently return once all of his artefacts are recovered.

Corax - MIA. He also survived the Heresy, but left for the Eye of Terror in one of his ships. Not seen since.

Alpharius and Omegon - No one knows. Some Alpha Legionaire was killed by Guilliman, but due to the covert nature of the the Legion, it could have been an impersonator. Current whereabouts and motives are unknown.

Here's the thread -
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/404555.page#3456922

Here's a link to the sticky at the top of the sub-forum -
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/306652.page

Here's a link to Lexicanum -
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Primarch#.TqMFopstMyo

The moral of the story is; use the search function.

**blazinpsycho&typhooni**

Well that actually helped me out, was having a few problems with the search function, probably because I mispelled things.

**-Loki-**

monkeypuzzle wrote:20 Alpharius Omegon - Possibly Identical Twins, one might be dead. No more info. Are they/he Daemon Princes? Are they still part of the Cabal's plans?

Definitely identical twins. It's a key part of the novel Legion.

**Omegus**

monkeypuzzle wrote:I know, or think I know what happened to most of the primarchs but have some definate gaps. Can you guys fill them in.

1 Lion El'Jonson - Sleeping inside the Rock? Any chance he will wake up?
3 Fulgrim - Soul trapped by a daemon or Daemon Prince? - Is he fully turned to Chaos or is he trapped? Can he escape?
5 Jaghatai Khan - Lost in the webway/captured by dark eldar - Is he dead?
6 Leman Russ - Somewhere in the Eye of Terror - Is he dead? Is he coming back?
13 Roboute Guilliman - On life support and very slowly getting better. Is that on Ultramar?
18 Vulkan - Just went away? My bet for the Necron conversation starter/table decoration
19 Corax - Disappeared into the Eye of Terror whilst quoting Edgar Allen Poe?
20 Alpharius Omegon - Possibly Identical Twins, one might be dead. No more info. Are they/he Daemon Princes? Are they still part of the Cabal's plans?

1. The Lion's wounds were "mortal", so it's likely he is in the same condition as Guilliman.
3. He asked for oblivion, and sort of got it. It is possible for him to break free, since regular humans have been known to break off the shackles of possession, and there's even a whole Chapter of Space Marines that do just that. However, those tend to be lesser deamons, not one of the most favored daemon princes, and Fulgrim was never the most strong-willed character. He's probably perma-fethed.
5. No clue.
6. Magnus intimates that wherever Russ is now, it's most certainly not a good place.
13. Guilliman isn't getting better, he's in stasis. Even the Ultramarines (or at least Uriel) dismiss this as a myth perpetuated by the faithful.
18. There is some contradiction here. He seemingly was killed on Istvaan in the newer HH novels, yet older fluff mentions him as being one of the objectors to the Codex Astartes. It's possible he somehow miraculously survived and somehow found transportation to his home planet just in time to bitch about Guilliman's book (which is hilarious, considering he and the Salamanders didn't do squat during the whole Heresy except die a lot, so it's not like they are in a position to voice an opinion about anything). The 40K Wiki states that he hung around doing nothing for 1000 years, then hid a bunch of artifacts around the galaxy, and went poof. There is no reference, however, so I can't vouch for the veracity of that information. I never read much on Salamanders, so perhaps one of their fans may be able to enlighten us.
19. Probably off on some dead world somewhere cutting himself.
20. Not twins, but one soul split into two bodies. The Legion's appearances since the Heresy indicate that they are now mustache-twirling bad guys like all the other Traitor Legions.

**Bolly.Bolly?BOLLY!**

Rogals entire body was indeed recovered, his skeleton in incased in solid amber, while his hands are kept in another area of the Phalanx. But hes corpse was definitely recovered.

**doc21**

I think Russ is dead.....

The current SW codex says on page 28:
"Listen but closely my brothers, for my life's breath is all but spent. There shall come a time far from now when our chapter is dying, even as I am now dying......."

I would think a primarch would know when he was dying, so it probably wasn't just a bad case of man flu.

**Durza**

I do have a theory on Fulgrim, being that it a pariah was brought near him, the daemon's power would be sapped and he'd be able to regain control. Then his psychic shields would stop the daemon taking over again... of course, he probably wouldn't enjoy being a ... thing... much.

doc21 wrote:I think Russ is dead.....

The current SW codex says on page 28:
"Listen but closely my brothers, for my life's breath is all but spent. There shall come a time far from now when our chapter is dying, even as I am now dying......."

I would think a primarch would know when he was dying, so it probably wasn't just a bad case of man flu.

Typo! Russ can't be dead! Sorry... I just think that bit of writing was misinformed.

**CalgarsPimpHand**

doc21 wrote:I think Russ is dead.....

The current SW codex says on page 28:
"Listen but closely my brothers, for my life's breath is all but spent. There shall come a time far from now when our chapter is dying, even as I am now dying......."

I would think a primarch would know when he was dying, so it probably wasn't just a bad case of man flu.

I was under the impression that speech was basically the last address he made to his legion, a surprise announcement at a big feast, then he abruptly scrammed for the Eye of Terror, Bilbo Baggins-style.

Dude must have had some serious angst going, as I doubt he was literally dying (unless he had primarch-cancer or something and just wanted to tick a few last things off his bucket list).

**daveNYC**

doc21 wrote:I think Russ is dead.....

The current SW codex says on page 28:
"Listen but closely my brothers, for my life's breath is all but spent. There shall come a time far from now when our chapter is dying, even as I am now dying......."

I would think a primarch would know when he was dying, so it probably wasn't just a bad case of man flu.

Yeah, that's a pretty goofy quote. Especially since he then seems to take his honor guard with him off on some wacky adventure. I mean either he's dying or he's able to go off questing for something.
Plus, Primarchs are described as immortal nigh-unkillable demi-gods. The idea he's just going to up and die is just wrong.

No idea what's up with Vulkan. Not a lot of Salamander fluff out there really. We'll see what the next Deathwatch book will bring to the table, it's going to cover the remaining four loyal legions.

**Omegus**

That quote harks back to Rogue Trader, when Leman Russ was a human "commander" and "founder of the Space Wolves".

But I like to think that he was indeed dying from the wounds inflicted on him by Magnus. It'd be just like Magnus to lose the fight, but give his opponent Space Cancer.

**Psienesis**

I mean either he's dying or he's able to go off questing for something.

The two are not mutually exclusive. You can know you are dying, and yet not be bedridden or anything of the sort. It would be just like the Premier Space Viking to go to his grave in battle, rather than withering away in the Fang.

**doc21**

I admit Russ could have made his deathbed speech in the Eye during his great hunt, but he does sound pretty confident that he's dying.

He is a Norwegian Blue Primarch, 'E's passed on! This primarch is no more! He has ceased to be! 'E's expired and gone to meet 'is maker! 'E's a stiff! Bereft of life, 'e
rests in peace! If you hadn't nailed 'im to the perch 'e'd be pushing up the daisies! 'Is metabolic processes are now 'istory! 'E's off the twig! 'E's kicked the
bucket, 'e's shuffled off 'is mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisible!! THIS IS AN EX-PRIMARCH!!
(With apologies to the Monty Python team

)

**daveNYC**

Well given that he's from Nordic themed Fenris, it's quite possible he's just pining for the fjords.

**BrainDeleted**

Omegus wrote:18. There is some contradiction here. He seemingly was killed on Istvaan in the newer HH novels, yet older fluff mentions him as being one of the objectors to the Codex Astartes. It's possible he somehow miraculously survived and somehow found transportation to his home planet just in time to bitch about Guilliman's book (which is hilarious, considering he and the Salamanders didn't do squat during the whole Heresy except die a lot, so it's not like they are in a position to voice an opinion about anything). The 40K Wiki states that he hung around doing nothing for 1000 years, then hid a bunch of artifacts around the galaxy, and went poof. There is no reference, however, so I can't vouch for the veracity of that information. I never read much on Salamanders, so perhaps one of their fans may be able to enlighten us.

At least they managed to do more good than the Ultramarines, killing SOME of the force that would later try to sack Terra. Vulkan is kind of in fluff limbo. Some of the older fluff says he was killed on Istvaan while some of the newer stuff seems to suggest this as well. Then there's the fluff about him pulling a disappearing act which is hard when you're dead. Personally, I don't think he was killed on Istvaan but barely survived and escaped with his legion remnants. If he died he'd have to be offed by a fellow Primarch. No Primarch can just die under a pile of standard marines, they're too awesome. Plus Vulkan took a nova cannon like a boss.

Basically, he's gone with a legend about him coming back when his artifacts are all recovered.

**Durza**

Surely if Vulkan died on Istvaan, all his artefacts would've been there unless some later person decided to troll the Salamanders.

**BrainDeleted**

Considering one of the artifacts is a forge ship and another is a battery of planetary defense lasers, this would not be the case.

**Durza**

I thought they were the stuff that Hestan decided to wear.

**BrainDeleted**

Three of them are. I think there are nine in total, the Salamanders having found five. Two of which are the above stated.

**iproxtaco**

BrainDeleted wrote:
Omegus wrote:18. There is some contradiction here. He seemingly was killed on Istvaan in the newer HH novels, yet older fluff mentions him as being one of the objectors to the Codex Astartes. It's possible he somehow miraculously survived and somehow found transportation to his home planet just in time to bitch about Guilliman's book (which is hilarious, considering he and the Salamanders didn't do squat during the whole Heresy except die a lot, so it's not like they are in a position to voice an opinion about anything). The 40K Wiki states that he hung around doing nothing for 1000 years, then hid a bunch of artifacts around the galaxy, and went poof. There is no reference, however, so I can't vouch for the veracity of that information. I never read much on Salamanders, so perhaps one of their fans may be able to enlighten us.

At least they managed to do more good than the Ultramarines, killing SOME of the force that would later try to sack Terra. Vulkan is kind of in fluff limbo. Some of the older fluff says he was killed on Istvaan while some of the newer stuff seems to suggest this as well. Then there's the fluff about him pulling a disappearing act which is hard when you're dead. Personally, I don't think he was killed on Istvaan but barely survived and escaped with his legion remnants. If he died he'd have to be offed by a fellow Primarch. No Primarch can just die under a pile of standard marines, they're too awesome. Plus Vulkan took a nova cannon like a boss.

Basically, he's gone with a legend about him coming back when his artifacts are all recovered.

They did nothing except die, and that's better than the Ultramarines? Ok then, whatever you say. That's sarcasm by the way, you're projectile vomiting out your rear end. The Salamanders went to Istvaan, were pretty much destroyed, and then did nothing else. What did the Ultramarines do? They went all the way to the Eastern Fringe, and were attacked by a stupid amount of Word Bearers, stopping them from getting to Terra in time. When they eventually neared the Sol system, Horus gambled at the last second, because the returning Legions would mean his defeat was assured. Even forgetting all that, they still did more than any other Legion after the Heresy. It was the Imperiums darkest hour, and they held the line long enough for the Chapters to form and the Legions to strengthen. Robute Guilliman held the Imperium together, and his Legion are rightly revered throughout the worlds of humanity. What was Vulkan doing all this time? Apparently just sitting moaning with Russ about how the Codex Astartes was wrong and how the Legions were not too powerful, which ironically almost caused a second war, because the Primarchs controlled their Legions still. Yeah, good job.

**Thatguy91**

Does anyone think that they will actually bring the missing primarchs back? That would kinda spell the coming of the end if I understood what I have read correctly...

And also the Salamanders did nothing except die because they got smashed between half a dozen traitor legions in a kill zone lol. Not much else to do in that situation IMHO.

**Durza**

No, probably not. It'd be a really big advancement in plot for one thing, and would also give the Imperium yet another massive advantage in battles.

**BrainDeleted**

iproxtaco wrote:They did nothing except die, and that's better than the Ultramarines? Ok then, whatever you say. That's sarcasm by the way, you're projectile vomiting out your rear end. The Salamanders went to Istvaan, were pretty much destroyed, and then did nothing else. What did the Ultramarines do? They went all the way to the Eastern Fringe, and were attacked by a stupid amount of Word Bearers, stopping them from getting to Terra in time. When they eventually neared the Sol system, Horus gambled at the last second, because the returning Legions would mean his defeat was assured. Even forgetting all that, they still did more than any other Legion after the Heresy. It was the Imperiums darkest hour, and they held the line long enough for the Chapters to form and the Legions to strengthen. Robute Guilliman held the Imperium together, and his Legion are rightly revered throughout the worlds of humanity. What was Vulkan doing all this time? Apparently just sitting moaning with Russ about how the Codex Astartes was wrong and how the Legions were not too powerful, which ironically almost caused a second war, because the Primarchs controlled their Legions still. Yeah, good job.

Sheesh, stay on the happy pills. I was just trying to say that their actions during the Heresy don't make them inferior to the Ultramarines. Yeah, they got caught in pretty much the biggest Space Marine meat grinder ever...And mostly died like the Raven Guard and the Iron Hands. Don't see how that takes away their right to protest against Robot Gorillaman's stupidly paranoid Codex Astartes which basically ensures that the Space Marines will never, ever, ever do anything other than constantly defend the dying Imperium with only moderate efficiency and maintain the grimdark status quo. But, hey, personal opinions about the Codex aside, the Ultras didn't really do anything but loom around menacingly saying 'Are we there yet?' Exactly like the Space Wolves and the Dark Angels. So there. Three legions decimated, three defending Terra, three running as fast as they can to help Terra out. Roboute just enjoyed last man standing rights, having suffered the least in the Heresy from doing THE LEAST (Alongside the DA but they got messed up right after it and lost Lion, leaving...Roboute).

What was Vulkan doing? We don't know (He gets some of the worst fluff coverage alongside Khan and Ferrus to an extent), presumably rebuilding his shattered legion and probably recovering from Istvaan himself, can't imagine him getting off without a scratch.