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Made in gb
Plummeting Black Templar Thunderhawk Pilot





Wisbech

Comments and Criticism required! XD


Lords

Vamp Lord - 205
Beguile - 25
Avatar of death - 20
Total - 250


Heroes

Wight King - 75
BSB - 25
Screaming Banner - 40
Total - 140


Core

20 Crypt Ghouls - 160
Total - 160

20 Skeleton Warriors - 160
Champion - 8
Musician - 4
Standard - 8
Total - 180

20 Skeleton Warriors - 160
Champion - 8
Musician - 4
Standard - 8
Total - 180

20 Zombies - 80
Musician - 4
Standard - 8
Total - 92


What do you think?
C&C welcomed with open arms ^^

LazzurusMan
   
Made in us
Excellent Exalted Champion of Chaos






Lake Forest, California, South Orange County

Zombies aren't worth taking because you can just summon them. Get a corpse cart and a necromancer instead of the BSB at this points level.

And 3 units of core is a bit much. You could drop a unit and tool around your points to take a Varghulf.

"Bryan always said that if the studio ever had to mix with the manufacturing and sales part of the business it would destroy the studio. And I have to say – he wasn’t wrong there! ... It’s become the promotions department of a toy company." -- Rick Priestly
 
   
Made in gb
Plummeting Black Templar Thunderhawk Pilot





Wisbech

Lords

Vamp Lord - 205
Beguile - 25
Avatar of death - 20
Total - 250


Heroes

Necromancer - 55
Corpse cart - 75
Bale fire - 25
Total - 155

Core

20 Crypt Ghouls - 160
Total - 160

20 Skeleton Warriors - 160
Champion - 8
Musician - 4
Standard - 8
Total - 180

20 Skeleton Warriors - 160
Champion - 8
Musician - 4
Standard - 8
Total - 180


At this point i have 75 points to spend, and i'm not sure which core unit to axe for a vargulf... :/

Any ideas?
   
Made in us
Excellent Exalted Champion of Chaos






Lake Forest, California, South Orange County

drop a unit of skeletons(they are overpriced this edition anyway).

trading 1 unit of skeletons for a Varghulf leaves you with 80 points to spend.

You could add 4 Fell Bats OR add a cairn wraith as a character and give 20 points of magic items to your necromancer.

"Bryan always said that if the studio ever had to mix with the manufacturing and sales part of the business it would destroy the studio. And I have to say – he wasn’t wrong there! ... It’s become the promotions department of a toy company." -- Rick Priestly
 
   
Made in gb
Plummeting Black Templar Thunderhawk Pilot





Wisbech

I like the idea of adding the wraith and the magic items, havent got my book with me atm, so i'll have to sort it out tommorow XD

Thanks ^^
   
Made in us
Excellent Exalted Champion of Chaos






Lake Forest, California, South Orange County

No problem. Since I don't visit the Army List forum often, PM me if you need any help designing an army.

"Bryan always said that if the studio ever had to mix with the manufacturing and sales part of the business it would destroy the studio. And I have to say – he wasn’t wrong there! ... It’s become the promotions department of a toy company." -- Rick Priestly
 
   
Made in se
Camouflaged Zero





Where the sun crosses the field of blood.

Is your Lord survivable enough? He seems to lack protection very much - Only a 4+ armour save to help him.

 
   
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Wisbech

I like the idea of adding the cairn wraith...what if i removed avatar of death from my lord and gave him the flayed hauberk and the talisman of protection for 40 points?
   
Made in us
Excellent Exalted Champion of Chaos






Lake Forest, California, South Orange County

I think your lord ends up going over his 250 points if you do that.

"Bryan always said that if the studio ever had to mix with the manufacturing and sales part of the business it would destroy the studio. And I have to say – he wasn’t wrong there! ... It’s become the promotions department of a toy company." -- Rick Priestly
 
   
Made in gb
Plummeting Black Templar Thunderhawk Pilot





Wisbech

As i don't have my vc book with me does anyone know of a shield or something thats cheaper than a talisman?
   
Made in ca
Evasive Pleasureseeker



Lost in a blizzard, somewhere near Toronto

Honestly, I'd wait till January for our new book! (a number of the rummor mongers have pretty much confirmed jan for VC's!)

As for a 1k to fiddle about with right now, I'd say just try out some different units that strike your fancy. VC's don't actually play well at lower pts right now because we don't gel at all with the current 8th ed rules... Our current book is all about min/maxing, spending as little as possible on core and then raising the added numbers through magic. For example, our book doesn't intend you to take 30+ skeletons in a unit - you take only 15-20 and then raise the extra dozen or so you need.
But those tactics are dead now as 8th edition magic is far too random to rely on raising, plus our wizards can flub their casting roll and become useless for the rest of the phase...

Combat is another sore spot... Skeletons & Zombies are ment to be fodder who soak up damage while our characters massacre the front ranks of the enemy before they get to strike! Worked fine and dany last edition, too bad things like the fear nerf (which was needed), step-up & steadfast exist now. Ghouls aside, our other core bleeds hienous amounts of combat res because they all die to a stiff breeze.
You can't even use zombies & skeletons to support your big hitters anymore! Anyone with half a brain just minces your crappy core and either wipes out any added combat res you have gained, or else they kill more and you start to crumble away some more.




Right now, your list is too core centric; you have no big hitters who can cause damage. 8th edition is all about causing massive casulties and racking up that combat res! Our core outside of ghouls can't fight their way out of a soaking wet, mouldy, half decompsed paper bag!

A lord is likely too costly for 1k, you just don't have any wiggle room for other stuff because he's 25% of your army! Stick to a Thrall who for 150pts you can give heavy armour & shield and make into a Lv2 wizard.
Try out a basic necro (buy him a second spell, maybe the black periapt if you can squeeze it in!) He's a good support caster and you can use him to throw those risky 1D6 invocation attempts, or else start spaming Vanhel's Danse!
Also try out each of the other heroes in turn to see how they gel with your unit/s, it will also give you ideas for when you expand your army come 'Vampuary'

I'd suggest taking a unit of ghouls and a unit of skeletons for core. Don't get too used to having a magic banner on your skeletons though as there's a damn good chance we're likely losing that ability! And also, ignore anyone who tells to invest in 60-80+ ghouls because that list is likely to go away in a new book. (or at least, it won't be nearly the 'easy mode' it currently is)

With your left over pts, definately look into some grave guard! They're our best unit right now, and they've always been a staple of the VC army. You could also try out, (perhaps with some proxies) alternatives like the suggested vargulf + fell bat combo, or perhaps some black knights (who are heavily rummored to be getting a shiny new plastic kit, so definately proxy them!)



VC's is a gak army right now because there's no viable choices outside of 1 standard build... January is going to turn us back into a proper army that works beyond 'ghouls + regen'ing grave guard'!

 
   
Made in gb
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Wisbech

I knew the book was coming out january, i saw a rumour thread on another site, but i havent seen one here, so i think i'll wait. Especialy seeing as my B-day is in February XD
   
Made in ca
Evasive Pleasureseeker



Lost in a blizzard, somewhere near Toronto

LazzurusMan wrote:I knew the book was coming out january, i saw a rumour thread on another site, but i havent seen one here, so i think i'll wait. Especialy seeing as my B-day is in February XD


Check the rummor section here - the topic's been hit by a recent casting of invocation of nehek!

Just play about with ideas for now! Outside of a vargulf, (who's made of awsome sauce!) proxy the special/rare units you like to get a rough feel for what you want to add and spend the next month and a bit just painting up your ghouls/skeletons & characters!

 
   
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Wisbech

Thanks for the advice, i wont actualy be playing fantsay for a while, so i'll wait and see what january brings ^^
   
 
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