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Guys I'm not a SW player but posting this for a friend :


Can an IC with Saga of the Hunter attach himself to Wolf Scouts and use their special outflank ability?

He did mention the SW FAQ possibly saying yes but being vague.

Any help appreciated . ( I have read rulebook and IC not being able to confer abilities to unit and vice versa but as I mentioned I am not as familiar with SW )

Q. Can an Independent Character that has joined a Wolf
Scouts pack outflank? (p27)
A. No, unless he has the Saga of the Hunter, or another
special rule, which allows him to outflank

40k FAQ

DeathReaper wrote:Q. Can an Independent Character that has joined a Wolf
Scouts pack outflank? (p27)
A. No, unless he has the Saga of the Hunter, or another
special rule, which allows him to outflank

40k FAQ

The answer is not exactly clear, unless you are saying that the Wolf Scout pack special "behind enemy lines" is included as an Outflank ability.

"Behind Enemy Lines" is a lot more than Outflank.

razorramon31 wrote:

DeathReaper wrote:Q. Can an Independent Character that has joined a Wolf
Scouts pack outflank? (p27)
A. No, unless he has the Saga of the Hunter, or another
special rule, which allows him to outflank

40k FAQ

The answer is not exactly clear, unless you are saying that the Wolf Scout pack special "behind enemy lines" is included as an Outflank ability.

"Behind Enemy Lines" is a lot more than Outflank.

The only requirement to OBEL with the Wolf Scout unit is to be able to Outflank. Giving the IC Saga of the Hunter allows him to Outflank. When the Wolf Scout unit Outflanks, they OBEL. An IC with Saga of the Hunter joined to that unit is part of that unit for all intents and purposes except close combat where he fights as a separate unit,

Brother Ramses wrote:

razorramon31 wrote:

DeathReaper wrote:Q. Can an Independent Character that has joined a Wolf
Scouts pack outflank? (p27)
A. No, unless he has the Saga of the Hunter, or another
special rule, which allows him to outflank

40k FAQ

The answer is not exactly clear, unless you are saying that the Wolf Scout pack special "behind enemy lines" is included as an Outflank ability.

"Behind Enemy Lines" is a lot more than Outflank.

The only requirement to OBEL with the Wolf Scout unit is to be able to Outflank. Giving the IC Saga of the Hunter allows him to Outflank. When the Wolf Scout unit Outflanks, they OBEL. An IC with Saga of the Hunter joined to that unit is part of that unit for all intents and purposes except close combat where he fights as a separate unit,

Sounds like a decent interpretation, but isnt that like saying an IC that place himself in reserv with a unit that is able to deep strike may deep strike himself (for example, a guy in powerarmour that join teleporting terminators), because its not OBEL, its just BEL.

No it isnt.

WHen wolf scouts Outflank they use OBEL, taking the unit with them. It is a special rule conferred to the unit

Now find a rule saying that DS is conferred to an IC that doesnt have it, and youd be in a similar situation.

Well then, so the consensus is that "yes" an IC with Saga of the hunter may use the WSP "behind enemy lines" if he is attached to the unit.

Now I would like to add this question:

Since a Wolf Guard Battle Leader (IC) does have Saga of the Hunter, can a Thunder Wolf Mount be also picked as part of his wargear? With the two fenrisian wolves? I see nothing in the codex that prevents him from taking a TWM and Saga of the Hunter.
It just says that Jet Packs, Bikes, and terminator armor may not be chosen if saga of the hunter is picked.

Would love a confirmation on this...

P64 - INFANTRY ONLY

nosferatu1001 wrote:P64 - INFANTRY ONLY

The above.

Frankly, even as a SW player, TWM with Saga of the Hunter would be waaaaay to powerful.

A TWM equipped character may only join units of TWC or Fenrisian Wolves as per pg. 62

Landrain wrote:A TWM equipped character may only join units of TWC or Fenrisian Wolves as per pg. 62

Which is moot point anyway because he cannot take it in the first place. A WGBL on a TWM alone Outflanking could run through an entire castled army.

ok i know it says infantry only on page 64...
but on page 85 it says
"may only be taken by a model n power armour that does not have a jump pack or space marine bike.." nothing about TWM and those are under the same heading...

And? Thats entirely irrelevant.

A TWM makes you cavalry. Is that Infantry? No? Then you cannot take that Saga.

At every major tournament, the concensus is that TWC can take saga of the hunter I know at adepticon they allowed it. Stelek does it all the time.

So tournaments break the rules? Big deal. They do it all the time. Stelek is also not the...best when it comes to knowin gthe rules of the game.

INFANTRY ONLY means INFANTRY ONLY. You are not infantry when riding a TWM, meaning you have an illegal selection of Saga.

arch1angel wrote:ok i know it says infantry only on page 64...
but on page 85 it says
"may only be taken by a model n power armour that does not have a jump pack or space marine bike.." nothing about TWM and those are under the same heading...

Do you have any material that also states that Page 85 supersedes Page 64?

Purchase options may technically allow for the TWMounted Character to purchase Saga of the Hunter, but the Saga of the Hunter only does what it does for Infantry.

It is clear that the mounted character may purchase it, it is also clear that the saga only has any rules for infantry which the mounted character is not.

So, In short the Purchase is legal, but there is no benefit and the points are wasted.

We did an article including a rather lengthy discussion of Wolf Guard Battle Leaders, Thunderwolf Mounts, and Saga of the Hunter.

The article can be found here.

Ultimately I'd argue that the WGBL cannot take both a Thunderwolf Mount and Saga of the Hunter because the "infantry only" language makes them mutually exclusive.

I think it's debatable whether both options can be selected and the Saga of the Hunter simply doesn't function (i.e. a list with a WGBL carrying both can still be a legal list, but the Saga provides no benefit), or whether it's illegal to take them together at all.

At every major tournament, the concensus is that TWC can take saga of the hunter I know at adepticon they allowed it. Stelek does it all the time.
-Bagtagger

Just because some tournaments allow it, and some well-known players do it, doesn't make it a correct interpretation of the rules.

Hope this helps!
-GK