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Hey, decided that i couldn't fit romans in my army, so i'm doing a Bretonnia army, the army that i like the most out of all the standard wh armies. So my question is, can i use the LoTR models in Warhammer? They are both citedel models. I ask because i wanted to get some Knights of Dol Amroth and convert them to Grail knights. Becasue I dislike metal minis and its cheaper and you get one more. So are they legal in tournaments. The only reference i have is ard boyz, and it says you must use Citadel models, and lotr is made by Citadel models.

If they are pretty much the same size then nowhere I know would have an issue, but then again you are in America, and you are talking tournaments, so what I said may be completely off

If it's a tournament and it's GW or GW sponsored it should be OK. Just make sure they are equipped right.

See I don't know the size. I assumed they are the same size.

The LoTR figures are true scale and therefore smaller than the WHFB heroic scale.

How much smaller?

sorry couldn't find a direct comparison but the above are a good indication of the diffence in size

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:

sorry couldn't find a direct comparison but the above are a good indication of the diffence in size

Could you post or pm the link? Its not showing anything on my end. Thanks.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4104/4950711758_6503d1f36b.jpg

also found this one which I think as a WHFB high elf archer

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_x0lX220booY/S70xDfpHo2I/AAAAAAAABxE/qf0uRMXiVPI/s1600/elven+archers+elves+bows.jpg

Not that bad. I still might do it. Would it be that big of a difference? As in would it be considered cheating?

I would doubt it be considered cheating, but it might look funny on the board.

Though the reason that the Lord of the Rings minis are smaller is, I believe, part of the contract for the rights to Lord of the Rings so that the two games couldn't be mixed. At big GW tournaments like Throne of Skulls, pretty sure you cannot use LotR models in any form. But would have to double check on that.

Outside of GW events i don't think you will have any problems with using LOTR models for counts as.
But from what i have read GW cant use any images or materials from LOTR to promote other games, must be part of the contract with the copyright holder.
How they would treat this when, if for example you were to win a tourney and they are unable to take pictures or use images of your army for promotional material i don't know.

ObliviousBlueCaboose wrote:See I don't know the size. I assumed they are the same size.

I have Knights of Dol Amroth. Bit smaller then average WHFB cavalry.

My friend used a Balrog as a demon prince and that looked pretty sweet.

Obviously.

Now, I compared the Knights of Dol Amroth, its the same size as the 40k AOBR terminator sergeant.

I don't think anyone would have a problem with it in most cases. I think it would look really cool.

Knights of Dol Amroth would look really cool as Brettonians.


You would have to buy the proper bases(they come on 40mm rounds)

Scale issues have been covered- they're more slender, and artistically different enough that you might want to consider going all-or-nothing. I've seen Morghul Knights used to good effect in a VC army; they were the only cavalry in the army and they looked great, without really introducing any scale issues.

I've read (here on Dakka, I believe) that GW will allow LotR figures in Warhammer, but will not photograph them, promote them, etc. Apparently, there was a tournament winner whose winning army was referenced but not photographed in White Dwarf for precisely that reason. Surely, someone else here can provide more details.

Grey Templar wrote:I don't think anyone would have a problem with it in most cases. I think it would look really cool.

Knights of Dol Amroth would look really cool as Brettonians.


You would have to buy the proper bases(they come on 40mm rounds)

Not needed. WOTR movement trays will do.

But you don't have the same footprint or base size!


That is something that would cause issues. Just buy the pack of Warhammer bases, it will end up being the same cost and you won't get into base size problems.

Stormfather wrote:Scale issues have been covered- they're more slender, and artistically different enough that you might want to consider going all-or-nothing.

Agreed here. I'd love to see someone do this... I haven't ever seen a full army of LOTR figs for warhammer, but I think it'd be fantastic. But it probably needs to be All LOTR (or other non-heroic scale models) so that they work well together.

The only tournies you couldn't enter would be 'Ard Boyz and Throne of Skulls in the U.S., as that's all GW proper runs anymore. Most independent tournies welcome well-done armies using alternate models, as long as everything is very clear on what they are armed with, etc. Rule of cool applies, as always!

So, I say go for it . You will need to mount them on square bases, though- I don't think the LOTR movement trays are enough. Also, could get you in the mood for the Hobbit movie coming up

Don't mention The Hobbit else I will be wetting myself in anticipation!
Sound advice from RiTides and others imho and agree would be cool to see done.

I would suggest using Space Marines. They are also Citadel miniatures and they also don't fit the Warhammer setting like Romans and 25mm LOTR miniatures. And Space Marines are tournament legal AFAIK

In a friendly game with friends you can use whatever you like as long as everyone knows what things are. In games workshop and tournaments i'm pretty sure you have to use the correct types as long as a model actually exists for it

I've been considering using the LOTR trolls and wargs for my O&Gs army i really like the models and GW seems unwilling to update their wolves.
I like the LOTR trolls they seem less comical. They look like a real threat on the table.

Im working on a whfb o&g army using only lotr minis. Its working great so far, although I cant decide wether the lotr trolls are small giants or huge trolls. The bonus is that my shelob will be an arachnarok figure instead of the fiddly lotr model. Pics of my first unit are on the Facebook page for the GW in Wellington, New Zealand. Im not a member of Facebook and Im on a phone so I cant link sorry.

I would use Mordor Trolls as Giants and Cave Trolls as trolls.

Makes sense. Dont have any cave trolls though so three giants it is.