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Hey all,

I'm thinking of getting back into LOTR SBG with a new army, got some goblins but I'm pretty fed up of them as cool as the little buggers may well be. I had the idea of making a helms deep elven army, always loved the deeping wall part of the films and martial prowess of the elves. So heres a 250 list and I'll try and build on it later:

Haldir
Armoured Elf with banner
11 armoured elves with swords
9 armoured elves with bows

250pts

I may be a little off with the points but I havent played in a while and I havent got the BRB to hand.

Any C&C is more than welcome

Hi, IIRC I think that no more than 33% of your army can have bows, and as you have 22 models there, you will only be allowed 7 with bows.

Hope this helps!

Ah yeh I remember that now! Hahaha thanks it has been a while

2 bows out, 2 swords in

To be honest I'm about the same, it took me a couple of minutes of staring at it to remember. Haven't played LOTR SBG in ages, mainly because no-one else plays it to be honest. And yeah your list looks fine after that change, legal and pretty good .

Yeh it's a real shame that it went out the window for most people as for a skirmish game that takes just 30mins in some cases it's a fantastic time filler and can be good fun A game at my local GW seems like an impossibility

500pts will just see the addition of as many bows as I can have, Gimli (as its the deeping wall army, though I'm not sure if this is allowed?) and then topped up with yet more swords. Simples

Yeah, it's a shame. And yeah, I like the Helms Deep idea that you've got going, and with elves you're right to fill them up with as many bows as you can as it's their main strength. I normally run Dwarves but I could play most of the factions, so I don't need to worry about having or getting shot at by bows too much.

Ah now that is interesting and a spot of luck my brother also runs dwarves when we occasionally play, I don't know a lot about them and their tactics and my brother sure as hell aint gonna give anything away. Seen as dwarves have such a high defence and I have a 'shooty' army, you got any tips on taking the little fellas on? Insight from another dwarven player would be cool

Cheers

Yeah sure.

The main disadvantage of Dwarves is that 5" movement, so you need to make sure that your archers are moving 3" away from the Dwarves every time, this way you can pump as many shots into them as is possible, as they'll only be catching up with you 2" a turn. The more shots you get off, the more likely you are to fell a few. I've played a couple of games where my opponent has managed to fell all 8 of my iron guard in 2 turns, and Haldir should really help with this.

While your shooty guys are backing away, you should have your close combat guys backing away at the same pace just behind the archers. This way, when the dwarves eventually do get close, the CC troops can jump infront of your archers and engage the dwarves in combat. The dwarves should have been weakened at least a bit by now, and the fact that your elves are armoured and the banner elf should really give your guys a chance of winning this one, especially with those elven blades.

If the dwarves are still alive after this shot them with the rest of your elves again, who should be a distance away again after this point, as they should be moving full speed away from the combat while it is ensuing.

One thing that can through the spanner in the works is the presence of Dwarf Rangers, they hit on the same roll as you but they also have a lower defence than other dwarves. seeing as they are going to hurt your footsloggers more than your archers are going to hurt his, shoot the rangers first.

Do you know which hero he is using by the way?

Ah brilliant! Thanks a lot rampage

I see what you mean about the rangers, though I don't think he has any which is comforting

Oh boy do I know.......and nor will I ever forget..........Dain............

It's amazing the amount of goblins you can bounce off him

Ah excellent! I know Dain pretty well, look on the bright side, at least it's not Durin .

What you want to do with Dain, is try and put as many walls, hedges, etc between you and him as you can. Because he's an oldster, he has that special rule which makes it harder for him to get over such things IIRC. And yeah, I'm not suprised about the Goblin thing, his defence and his silly axe are just too good. I think elven blades will probably have a better chance though.

Also, Haldir is decent all round so it's up to you whether you want to back him away with the archers when the Dwarves hit or leave him with the CC troops, bearing in mind that his might will probably help in CC more than it will at range.

Good Luck in your next game against him, and if you have any more questions just ask, I'll be happy to help, and the fact that elves are my secondary army helps as well .

He has Durin too.........

Cool thanks man, thats some food for thought, now to save up and collect myself some galadhrim