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When you direct fire with a basilisk the range changes fro 36-240 to 0-240, this part i understand but do you place the pie plate on the target or do you just make a single shot no pie plate attack?

thanks!!!

PS this question also goes for other tanks, im not sure if the LRBT can direct fire but if it can, there is literally no use for a vanquisher...

Im pretty sure the pie plate is always there.

Yes you place the large blast marker on your target.
As for the leman russ it can only direct fire.

It is still a large blast because the profile of the weapon never changes, you just ignore the minimum range when firing direct.

-cgmckenzie

Actually, I was wondering about the Basilisks Profile myself. It says in the rule book that ordonance barrage weapons can fire directly as any normal ordonance weapons; but does it lose the 'barrage' characteristic when firing in direct line of sight?

You always use the pie plate. The weapon doesn't change, just the method of firing.

StormForged wrote:Actually, I was wondering about the Basilisks Profile myself. It says in the rule book that ordonance barrage weapons can fire directly as any normal ordonance weapons; but does it lose the 'barrage' characteristic when firing in direct line of sight?

Sometimes.

If you do not move your Bassie, have LOS, and your target is 36+" away, then you can still fire it with the Ordnance Barrage rules on page 58(read the paragraphs after the allowance to fire as normal Ordnance, they tell you how OB works, and include the answer to your question).

Okay so I am a basilisk user as well, and just to be clear , i can fire the ordinance blast marker on a group of guys and not roll the scatter die if I have line of sight? But if no line of sght then I have to use the ordinance blast and scatter die?

I never knew I could shoot directy at something with my basilisk! Is this also on pg 58?

No. 'shoot directly" means "in los as normal" - so you place the blast, roll scatter but you get to subtract ballistic skill, as normal for a blast weapon.

so with out direct fire you dont subtract the basilisk BS?

dreadfury101 wrote:so with out direct fire you dont subtract the basilisk BS?

You always subtract the BS if you can see your target, regardless of firing mode

Correct. If you're firing at a target out of LoS, then you don't get to subtract the ballistic skill.

dreadfury101 wrote:so with out direct fire you dont subtract the basilisk BS?

Did you see in my post where I told you(all) to read past the second paragraph in ordnance Barrage?

Read past that all the rules are there and are very Clearly written.

Ordnance barrage you place the pie plate regardless of line if sight. If over max range or under min you miss. Else you role the scatter die and scatter full distance. If using multiple you then roll the scatter x number of times see multiple barrage rule. Cover is taken from the center of the blast not from the firing fun los.

Ordnance has no min range but needs los. Roll scatter subtract bs and move marker x inches. Cover is determined from the fun. If multiple blasts each scatter separately like individual blasts do and are not placed next to the first marker like ordnance barrages.

rogueeyes wrote: Else you role the scatter die and scatter full distance.

You are wrong, if you have LoS, you subtract your BS regardless of firing mode

Illumini wrote:

rogueeyes wrote: Else you role the scatter die and scatter full distance.

You are wrong, if you have LoS, you subtract your BS regardless of firing mode

page 32 4th bullet. Bs makes no difference for barrage. Aka you do not subtract.


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Also page 58 second column.

Read it again.

..can fire at targets they cannot see...IF they do that... BS of the firer makes no difference

You subtract BS as long as you can see your target, only if you cannot see your target do you not subtract BS

If out of line if sight you scatter the full distance. If in line if sight you subtract. Seems I've been playing this wrong for a while now.

Guess you learn something new every day.

Here I'll simplify it for you:

ordnance barrage w/ LOS: the target must be outside of 36", cover is worked out as if the shot came from the center of the blast, pining check if any wounds are caused, and its 2d6-BS scatter.

ordnance barrage w/o LOS: same as above except that the scatter is the full 2d6.

direct fire ordnance: must have LOS, any range up to the maximum, cover is worked out from the vehicle, and the scatter is 2d6-BS.

so then the difference between direct and indirect fire is LOS? or can i target an area between two units with indirect fire?


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and forgive my bluntness, i have a pretty decent ability to comprehend what i read but 40k rulebooks have the technical flare of Wittgenstein

dreadfury101 wrote:
and forgive my bluntness, i have a pretty decent ability to comprehend what i read but 40k rulebooks have the technical flare of Wittgenstein

Dont worry about it. If warhammer was written well, this forum would have half as many topics

dreadfury101 wrote:so then the difference between direct and indirect fire is LOS? or can i target an area between two units with indirect fire?

No you must target a unit (specifically, a model to place the center of the blast over)

Indirect, i.e. Barrage fire, can be either IN los or OUT of LOS. All that changes is whether you subtract your BS or not.

Which begs the question, why would you indirect fire if the target is in your LoS?

Leo_the_Rat wrote:Which begs the question, why would you indirect fire if the target is in your LoS?

Pinning and cover saves. Barrage causes pinning (at -1 to LD test for Ordnance barrage) and cover saves are determined as if you were shooting from the center hole of the blast marker instead of the firing vehicle.

Also a better chance of penetrating a vehicle.

Direct fire ordnance is at the side facing the firer (which is probably not the side).
Barrage WITH OR WITHOUT LOS still hits SIDE armour, and thus is also a potentially better chance.

In addition to the pinning and cover issues.

so you can't indirect fire in LOS?



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it just seems silly to have to chose between barrage and -3 to scatter

You can indirect fire in LOS.

dreadfury101 wrote:so you can't indirect fire in LOS?



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it just seems silly to have to chose between barrage and -3 to scatter

If you're in LOS with an ordnance barrage weapon, you can choose to fire it as a barrage or as a regular ordnance blast.

The advantages of the former are that you can cause pinning and may help deny cover saves.

The advantages of the latter are that you get to ignore the minimum range.

If you look at my previous post, I cleared up all the options.

Hellstorm wrote:ordnance barrage w/ LOS: the target must be outside of 36", cover is worked out as if the shot came from the center of the blast, pining check if any wounds are caused, and its 2d6-BS scatter.

ordnance barrage w/o LOS: same as above except that the scatter is the full 2d6.

direct fire ordnance: must have LOS, any range up to the maximum, cover is worked out from the vehicle, and the scatter is 2d6-BS.