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Hey Dakkites,
Question for the lot of you, was looking around the forums and couldn't find an answer on something. Just getting back into the hobby so I'm still shaky on a few rules.

If a squad with an IC in it (Say squad of five marines and a captain with an Inv. Save) is assaulted by another unit with power weapons and the assaulting squad does 7 wounds without save on the marine/Captain squad, do the wounds bleed over to the Captain? He's got an inv. save so he could save, but does it go by majority armor and the Captain just kinda gets faulted into the extra two wounds?

Thanks much!

ICs count as a separate unit in close combat. For those models engaged with both units, the attacking player has to nominate whether they are attacking the IC or the squad.

Wounds don't carry over from one to the other. Attacks allocated to the IC can only affect the IC. Likewise, attacks allocated to the squad can only affect the squad.

For the rules see page 49 - when resolving attacks the IC is a separate unit, so only those enemy models in btb with the IC, or within 2" of a model in btb with the IC, wil have any chance to attack the IC

A better example would be if a squad of thousand sons shot at the space marine squad. (Thousand Sons have AP3 bolters)

Vendetta 476 wrote:A better example would be if a squad of thousand sons shot at the space marine squad. (Thousand Sons have AP3 bolters)

That's shooting, not assault. Completely different.

Yeah, in CC wounds do not bleed over to the IC. He only takes wounds when he's been targeted.

What I don't get though is that nobody seems to remember that IC counts as a different squad in CC. It's a fairly simple rule, why doesn't any of my opponents remember it?
Also, can a model split his attacks? Like hit the IC twice and the squad once if he has 3 attacks? I've played games where the other guy tries to do that.

No models in B2B with an IC MUST direct all his attacks at the IC. You are not allowed to split attacks from a single model.

1) Wrong. If you are in btb with models from 2 units you MAY choose which unit to attack, or split your attacks. 2) You may indeed split attacks from a single model.

Thanks a lot guys. Helps me clarify things better. Like I said I'm just getting back into the hobby and a few friends of mine are getting into it for the first time. Now, just to clarify what I think I'm right on. When shooting, as was said earlier, it's different. If an IC is in a squad getting shot at, you do in fact have to allocate wounds onto the IC, but the IC would get his save at least. Right?

Food Store Hero wrote:Thanks a lot guys. Helps me clarify things better. Like I said I'm just getting back into the hobby and a few friends of mine are getting into it for the first time. Now, just to clarify what I think I'm right on. When shooting, as was said earlier, it's different. If an IC is in a squad getting shot at, you do in fact have to allocate wounds onto the IC, but the IC would get his save at least. Right?

It depends on the weapon.

If the AP is not sufficient to punch through his armor, than yes, he would use his armor save. However, the unit shooting at them would wound vs majority toughness.

You are only forced to place a wounding -hit on the IC if the number of wounds is at least the total size of the unit. Otherwise you are not forced to allocate a wound - although there are advantages to doing so!

AchillesFTW wrote:No models in B2B with an IC MUST direct all his attacks at the IC. You are not allowed to split attacks from a single model.

See the second bullet point on page 41 of the rulebook. You most definitely can split your attacks.

This is a specific change from last edition, when you had to allocate all of your attacks against the same unit.

IC must be declared before the assault happens.

So in CC an IC cannot be affected by wound allocation. So the five man squad can take 7 wounds from power wounds and without inv. saves they will all die. Then leaving the IC Captain by himself without the need to take any saves.

Then vice-verse, the captain can be wounded 7 times by power weapons and fail his saves and die leaving the 5 man squad to fight back.