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Hey guys their is an upcoming doubles tournament in my city and my teammate and I were thinking of fielding Deathwing and Imperial Guard. The Force Organization Charts are restricted to only 1 HQ, 3 Troops, 1 Heavy Support, 1 elites, 1 fast attack, but we are able to add +1 Heavy Support, Elites, and fast attack. I took +1 fast attack and 1+ Heavy Support

My Imperial Guard list consists of:

HQ:

Company Command Squad: 170 points
4x meltas, Officer of the Fleet, Chimera

Troops:

Vet Sqd: 155 points
3x meltas, Chimera

Vet Sqd: 155 points
3x meltas, Chimera

Vet Sqd: 155 points
3x meltas, Chimera

Fast Attack:

Vendetta: 130 points

Valkyrie: 130 points
Missile Pods

Heavy Support:

Manticore: 160 points

Manticore: 160 points

Grand Total: 1215 points
Don't really know what else to fill in with the 35 remaining points.

My partners list is I think:
HQ:

Belial: 130 points

Troops:

Terminator Squad: 485 points
Lightning Claws, Cyclone Missile Launcher, Land Raider Crusader

Terminator Squad: 495 points
Lightning Claws, Assault Cannon, Land Raider

Elites:

Dreadnought: 135 points
Missile Launcher, Multi-Melta

Do these two army lists complement each other?

Honestly, for deathwing i would simply bring as many terminators as possible, and give them all TH/SS and cyclones. At this points level, you could bring 5 squads (3 troops, 2 elites) with 2 missiles and 1 chain fist, which isn't too bad at all, since you have the IG to give them firepower backup.

I think for the IG i would go with as much shooting as possible. All you have to is shut down enough of the enemy's firepower so that they can't kill 25 terminators, and you should be fine.

jcd386 wrote:I think for the IG i would go with as much shooting as possible. All you have to is shut down enough of the enemy's firepower so that they can't kill 25 terminators, and you should be fine.

Would taking away the Manticores and 1 of my vet squad and adding 2 squadrons of russes bring more firepower or no?

My initial idea for my partner and I was I would keep my chimeras behind the Land Raiders while we moved up while the fast attack caused havok around the flanks. The manticores would stay in the back firing off it's load at the enemy. Once the Raiders got close enough they were jump out and charge the enemy while at the same time the chimeras would come out from behind the land raiders and fire all of the meltas at the high threats to the terminators.

To be honest and build off of JCD's comment, any template/barrage/ordnance weapons you bring on is a threat to your Ally because he wants to get in close. You scatter and your doing your opponent's work for him and pissing off your friend. It is also your job to hold rear area objectives and possibly take enemy objectives because his troops are /not/ going to be doing that.

I think you would be better off doing a power blob list with some HWSs. Let me see if I can throw together a list for you quick to give you an idea of what I mean.

CCS - 130pts
LC, 2x Plasma guns, OotF

Marbro - 65pts

PCS - 52pts (in Vendetta)
4x Flamers, Bolt pistol

PIS - 120pts (blob 1)
Commissar, 2x PWs, Melta gun, Melta bomb

PIS - 75pts (blob 1)
PW, Melta gun, melta bomb

PIS - 75pts (blob 1)
PW, Melta gun, melta bomb

PCS - 52pts (in Vendetta)
4x Flamers, bolt pistol

PIS - 120pts (blob 2)
Commissar, 2x PWs, Melta gun, Melta bomb

PIS - 75pts (blob 2)
PW, Melta gun, melta bomb

PIS - 75pts (blob 2)
PW, Melta gun, melta bomb

HWS - 75pts
3x ACs

HWS - 75pts
3x ACs

Vendetta - 130pts

Vendetta - 130pts

1249pts

See if this does anything for you. Now your blobs can follow up the land raiders (or screen in front) or you can hold one in the rear ro hold a home objective (even though your HWSs are troops and thus scoring). Your PCSs make your Vendettas scoring and the LRs will totally draw more fire then the vendettas will. This gives you 7 LC shots on 3 targets and 12 AC shots on 2 targets. You can attempt to make your HWSs and your CCS twin linked for vehicle and MC fire with 'Bring it Down!'.

I think your list lacks a little when it comes to dealing with hordes. Or do you atleast have HFs on your chimeras? I would not leave home without 3 DW squads. Drop one LR for another DW squad. Most of the time you will be better of forcing the enemy to come to you so you dont want to be driving your LRs at full speed towards the enemy. I would also drop the Valk for the Vendetta.

MM and ML does not go very well togheter, I would give him a PC and a HF

I actually disagree with BlkTom on the Vendettas; I think you need more anti-hoard and dropping the vendettas for Heavy Bolter weapon teams would be better.

The Powerblobs have melta guns and melta bombs and Deathwing is... Deathwing. They'll probably draw more fire than anything else.

I would do a powerblob army list, but this tournament is on November 12th. I don't have enough guardsmen for a powerblob list. I was think either a leman russ list or Vet mech list. I am currently making the manticores right now.

About going more anti-hoard. I do have 2 valkryies that have missile pods. I can take away my vendetta and add a 2nd list.

Landraiders do not help deathwing in general. In pairs I cannot see this being different, they still huge targets which stop the CML from firing.

Let the DA player just bring the termies. It is one of the few units that your guard can not do better or cheaper. Maybe typhoons would be fun, if you also added the banner and apoth then that would be the 1250.

You should take few troops as possible then spend points on squadrons of heavy tanks and aeroplanes: imperial guard do this well. I am not sure that chimeras are fast enough to get into melta range without the covering fire.

Oh I have a big leman russ list. It is:

HQ:
Company Command Squad: 100 points
Lascannon, Officer of the Fleet

Troops:

Vet Sqd: 155 points
3x meltas, Chimera

Vet Sqd: 155 points
3x meltas, Chimera

Heavy Support:

Leman Russ Squadron 1:

Leman Russ Battle Tank: 165 points
Lascannon

Leman Russ Battle Tank: 165 points
Lascannon

Leman Russ Battle Tank: 165 points
Lascannon

Leman Russ Squadron 2:

Leman Russ Demolisher: 180 points
lascannon

Leman Russ Demolisher: 165 points

Grand total: 1250

Just so you know, I don't think your partner's list is legal with tournament rules as I understand them. DA Landraiders are always a Heavy slot, they can't ever be taken as a dedicated transport. I would hate to see you two wipe the floor with everyone, and then get DQ'd.


As far as synergy... I know Deathwing has the most trouble with hoard lists.

Is this by any chance going to be at Battlegrounds Plainville?

Erratic_Assassin wrote:Just so you know, I don't think your partner's list is legal with tournament rules as I understand them. DA Landraiders are always a Heavy slot, they can't ever be taken as a dedicated transport. I would hate to see you two wipe the floor with everyone, and then get DQ'd.


As far as synergy... I know Deathwing has the most trouble with hoard lists.

Oh your right! My bad I'll make sure my friend remakes his list!


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No this tourney is at Pandemonium Books and Games being ran by the Arvard Ard Boyz

wow, way off, sorry