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Just a couple questions regarding this.

1. Can I have more then one regular standard in the same unit? ( or for that matter an extra Champion / Musician?)

2. If I can have more then one standard in the same unit, can each standard spend points on a magic standard?


I know you can have a regular standard and a Battle Standard Bearer in the same unit. And you can upgrade both to some sort of Magic standard for the points required.

Question.....I'm thinking of making a Standard Bearer in my unit a magic standard with Banner of Swiftness for 15 pts. This gives him and the unit he is in +1 to move. Can I give the same Banner of Swiftness to my Battle Standard Bearer, put him in the same unit and increase their movement by 2? 1 extra move per Banner of Swiftness in that unit?

1) No, as you have no permission to take more than one

2) No, the only way to have two magic standards is to also have your BSB in there.

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You'll see all the rules say upgrade ONE unit to A ____. Such as musician or standard bearer.

Ok....so I do have permission to have a battle standard bearer in a unit with a regular standard. So if both my units regular standard and my battle standard bearer have the banner of swiftness, does that give my unit +2 to their movement since that would be +1 movement from each magic standard?

You can't have multiples of the same banner or magic items in your army.

Ok, so my army can't have two banners of swiftness anywhere. Gotcha.

So my other question would be, if my unit has a standard bearer with a magic banner that does, let's say the +1 movement swiftness, and I have a Battl Standard Bearer that has magic standard giving of Terror or something like that.....can both magic banners have their effects used within the same unit? The unit having a magic banner giving it an extra move and the Battle Standard bearer making the unit cause Terror?

Yes, your last example is legal.

Yes, you would have +1M and Terror at all times. They are persistent effects.

Your example will work until somebody comes and pokes your battle standard bearer with a sharp stick. Since he's wearing no armor to speak of and can't have any magical protection either, he will immediately curl up in a fetal position and cry, and then you lose the game. Multi-bannering is a cool idea, but questionable in practice unless you have a BSB with very strong natural defenses like beastmen gifts of chaos.

Malleus wrote:Your example will work until somebody comes and pokes your battle standard bearer with a sharp stick. Since he's wearing no armor to speak of and can't have any magical protection either, he will immediately curl up in a fetal position and cry, and then you lose the game. Multi-bannering is a cool idea, but questionable in practice unless you have a BSB with very strong natural defenses like beastmen gifts of chaos.

Or you play ogres (like me) and keep your BSB & SM in the second rank where no one can poke him.

Malleus wrote:Your example will work until somebody comes and pokes your battle standard bearer with a sharp stick. Since he's wearing no armor to speak of and can't have any magical protection either, he will immediately curl up in a fetal position and cry, and then you lose the game. Multi-bannering is a cool idea, but questionable in practice unless you have a BSB with very strong natural defenses like beastmen gifts of chaos.

My BSB is a Black Orc Big Boss, with Heavy armor, shield, and enchanted shield ( Bearer counts his save as being 2 points higher then normal). Which brings my BSB to a 2+ armor save and 6+ ward save if shield is equipped. Not to mention his special rules which have him armed to da teef ( can equip with any weapon), Immune to Psychology, and Quell Animosity.

He's also positioned right next to Grimgore Ironhide in a block of 40 Black Orcs. I'm sure anyone trying to get to my BSB will not only have a hard time taking him out, but get their asses handed to them in the process by Grimgore and a few ranks of Black Orcs behind them.

I don't know if this has changed in the Orcs and Goblins book that was released recently, but at least for Empire you cannot take both magic armour and magic banners on your BSB. Most people prefer the extra protection.

I also don't see the point in taking both a mundane shield and an enchanted shield on the same guy. You can only use one shield at a time.

WGMelchior wrote:I don't know if this has changed in the Orcs and Goblins book that was released recently, but at least for Empire you cannot take both magic armour and magic banners on your BSB. Most people prefer the extra protection.

I also don't see the point in taking both a mundane shield and an enchanted shield on the same guy. You can only use one shield at a time.

Both are correct. All army books specifically mention that if a BSB carries a Magic Banner, he may take no other magical items

kenshin620 wrote:
All army books specifically mention that if a BSB carries a Magic Banner, he may take no other magical items

Except a Slann in a Lizardman army. They're special in many ways.

Bret BSB with Magic banner has a 3+ and a 6++/5++ depending on the strength of the attack

My idea in taking the enchanted shield was to make his current shield better by 2 then 1. I guess I misread / misunderstood that item. So the Enchanted shield is itself a shield I could take instead of taking a regular shield. Ok.

Curiously, the enchanted shield also does not permit a parry save.

Red_Zeke wrote:Curiously, the enchanted shield also does not permit a parry save.

I had entirely missed/forgotten that bullet.
Thank you.

SoCxWarChief wrote:My idea in taking the enchanted shield was to make his current shield better by 2 then 1. I guess I misread / misunderstood that item. So the Enchanted shield is itself a shield I could take instead of taking a regular shield. Ok.

If you take a magical suit of armour, you lose whatever non-magical suit of armour you have. This is also true of magical and non-magical shields.

The Enchanted Shield is an actual shield, not an upgrade to a non-magical shield.