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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/11/02 00:07:44
Subject: chooser of the slain.....again
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Ferocious Blood Claw
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New sw player here and i need to know the scoop.. if i take CoS with 3RPs do i place 3 markers on the board ?
Also does it stop outflanking? I know this has been hashed up like a million times but ive found no clear answer! For every no theres a yes and for every yes theres a no! Help dakka!! Also i tried to search for topics regarding this here and got zero results ...is that possible or am i missing something?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/11/02 00:43:56
Subject: chooser of the slain.....again
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Each of your Rune Priests has their own Chooser, make sure to use different models though because from my understanding only the chooser that belongs to a specific priest benefits the priest in shooting (So if you have 3 rune priests: R1,R2,R3 and 3 choosers: C1,C2,C3 then lets say you are using C3's view point and it is the only chooser that can see your target, that means that R1 and R2 do not become BS 5 when shooting at the target C3 is looking at. Only R3 gets the bonuses).
As for the outflanking I would say no. That would be a little bit broken since all a SW player would have to do is line them up on a table edge to deny an entire portion of the board to outflankers and possibly (depending on rule interpretations) have a 33% chance to kill off entire outflanking squads before they hit the board. The rule says it stops infiltrating units, not units that are outflanking via the infiltrate special rule. If a unit has furious charge and the enemy has something that negates your furious charge does that mean you still can't charge? of course you can charge, you just can't do a furious one. Same here, you can't infiltrate near the choosers, you can still outflank near them though.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/11/02 01:47:50
Subject: Re:chooser of the slain.....again
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Ferocious Blood Claw
Los Angeles
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cool thats the way i interpreted it as well, but its always good to double check. ty for the info
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/11/02 04:07:52
Subject: chooser of the slain.....again
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Longtime Dakkanaut
Aizuwakamatsu, Fukushima, Japan
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I'm pretty sure Piroko's answer for the first question is wrong. If I remember correctly the rules for the Chooser start with something along the lines of "An army which includes a Chooser may place a marker."
If so, then markers are 1 per army, not 1 per Chooser purchased.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/11/02 04:26:17
Subject: chooser of the slain.....again
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Dour Wolf Priest with Iron Wolf Amulet
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Chrysis is right, it says that "an army that includes a Chooser of the Slain may place a chooser marker". This doesn't suggest that it is a cumulative bonus, so only take 1 in the army.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/11/02 09:28:35
Subject: chooser of the slain.....again
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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1 chooser per army
Outflank is NOT "Infiltrate" - it is a separate special rule that is granted by models with the Scouts and Infiltrate rule, but when using Outflank you are NOT Infiltrating. No Chooser does not stop Outflank
It is a clear answer, people saying otherwise just dont understand the rules well enough to comment.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/11/02 11:25:58
Subject: chooser of the slain.....again
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Hurr! Ogryn Bone 'Ead!
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Of course you can have multiple choosers. There's nothing that suggests there's a restriction of having more than 1.
Piroko is spot on with his ruling and how to calculate the bonus to BS for the different rune priests.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/11/02 11:34:28
Subject: chooser of the slain.....again
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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WRong, Tjolle. Or do you have WS10 Ork Nobz with 6 waagh banners?
"an army that includes a Chooser of the Slain may place a chooser marker"
If you have 1 chooser of the slain you are an army that includes.... so you place a chooser marker
If you have 2 chooser of the slain paid for, you are STILL an army that includes a chooser of the slain...so you place A chooser marker.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/11/02 11:46:04
Subject: Re:chooser of the slain.....again
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Hurr! Ogryn Bone 'Ead!
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It also says "Enemy units may not use their Infiltrate rule to deploy within 18" of a Chooser marker". Why isnt it worded as "THE Chooser marker"? This sure sounds like there could be multiples set up. By your ruling i place 1 marker anywhere on the board no matter how many i purchase, and all my RPs can benefit from its BS bonus? Great, that just made things cheaper.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/11/02 11:55:46
Subject: Re:chooser of the slain.....again
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Longtime Dakkanaut
Aizuwakamatsu, Fukushima, Japan
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Tjolle79 wrote:It also says "Enemy units may not use their Infiltrate rule to deploy within 18" of a Chooser marker". Why isnt it worded as "THE Chooser marker"? This sure sounds like there could be multiples set up.
There could be, if you have multiple armies. Maybe you're playing a game with multiple Force Org Charts, or Apocalypse. Choosers aren't 1 per game, they're 1 per army so multiple armies means multiple Choosers.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/11/02 12:02:09
Subject: chooser of the slain.....again
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Hurr! Ogryn Bone 'Ead!
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They aren't 1 per army, as they can be 4 per army. Multiple Rune Priests means multiple choosers, by your own logic,
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/11/02 12:08:23
Subject: chooser of the slain.....again
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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No, the actual MARKER is one per army, however in order to benefit from it the RP must have paid for the CotS so no - your army didnt get cheaper
1 chooser marker per army, every RP that wants to use it must have paid for the ability to do so.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/11/02 13:26:31
Subject: Re:chooser of the slain.....again
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Ferocious Blood Claw
Los Angeles
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first off, glad to get some responses. that being said, there is no FAQ entry and again no clear answer .... just more interpretations.. and even a lot of the reply's that think only 1 can be placed don't agree on how it works. is it 1 that all priests can benefit from ? or 1 that only 1 RP benefits from ? if they all benefit do they all have to pay for the upgrade? or is it 1 pays and all get the benefit? i work on a collage campus and i asked a English professor about the wording of this. He read it and and a glance at the responses on this forum and said that while using the word A, CAN imply singular it does not HAVE to be singular so quoting the RB where it says A chooser may be placed is "not conclusive evidence that only single marker can be placed" he did also say that the wording and writing style of the rule book "looks like it was done by a 6th grader" which seriously cracked me up. So my take on it is. talk to the guys your playing with consistently and work something out? cause no offense but none of the reasons people are giving are any more "official" or "factual" than any other... just one persons take on the wording against another ... and lets be honest having the most commonly agreed upon opinion doesn't make you right. i mean look at communism, lots of people agreed it was a good idea and that didn't work out so hot
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/11/02 13:28:01
Subject: chooser of the slain.....again
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Been Around the Block
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nosferatu1001 wrote:No, the actual MARKER is one per army, however in order to benefit from it the RP must have paid for the CotS so no - your army didnt get cheaper
1 chooser marker per army, every RP that wants to use it must have paid for the ability to do so.
Youre arguing just to argue.
1 chooser per RP that paid for it. If you have 2 rp then place 2 choosers. If you want to label them rp 1/2 and chooser 1/2 then go for it, although I usually place my choosers so they have a commanding view of the whole table if I can so it probably wouldent matter much.
The only time I could see the this being an issue is with an army that fields a lot of infiltrators so you can deny them some movement I guess?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/11/02 14:48:56
Subject: chooser of the slain.....again
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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No, I'm arguing because the rules say you only get 1. Your ENTIRE post has absolutely zero rules content to it, which breaks the tenets of YMDC
If your army (that would be your whole force) includes a CotS, place A marker. If your army has 4 priests with CotS you still have A CotS so you place A marker.
Or are you arguing that Ork Nobz get WS10 now if the include 6 waagh banners? Just asking.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/11/02 15:02:48
Subject: Re:chooser of the slain.....again
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Dour Wolf Priest with Iron Wolf Amulet
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Bloodfist wrote:i mean look at communism, lots of people agreed it was a good idea and that didn't work out so hot
Anyway, the rules make it seem like you only get 1 Chooser per army, but I think the intent is that you can have multiples.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/11/03 14:18:53
Subject: chooser of the slain.....again
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Ferocious Blood Claw
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You can have 2!, if you take Najal
Nightwing uses the rule for Chooser
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/11/03 16:03:45
Subject: chooser of the slain.....again
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Nasty Nob on Warbike with Klaw
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you get 1 per army, taking more than 1 CoS is just a simple case of breaking the rules.
Yes Njals Nightwing uses the rules for CoS IIRC
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