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260 Land Raider Crusader= MM, TL AC, HB sponsons.
in it is:
100 Librarian Shield power (for sure) and Preffered enemy power (Not to sure, maybe str 10 or fear of darkness?)
050 Sanguinary priest
215 and 5 assault terminators 3 with TH and SS

subtotal: 635

180 - Razorback = Las/Plas and inside it is:
Assault squad (5)
melta gun + Inf pistol on sarge
180 - Razorback = Las/Plas and inside it is:
Assault squad (5)
melta gun + Inf pistol on sarge
180 - Razorback = Las/Plas and inside it is:
Assault squad (5)
melta gun + Inf pistol on sarge
180 - Razorback = Las/Plas and inside it is:
Assault squad (5)
melta gun + Inf pistol on sarge

sub total : 1315

135 Predator = Autocannon / Las cannon sponsons
135 Predator = Autocannon / Las cannon sponsons
135 Predator = Autocannon / Las cannon sponsons

TOTAL : 1750, need it to be 1850 let me know where to add/shave points or what to change!


Also - can you use shield on opponents turn, and (for example) use blood lance on my turn? Rules point to yes, but my friend says he has to be an epistolary or else the epistolary upgrade is completely stupid since you can't use Shield of Sanguine on your turn. I agree why he thinks this but the rules are foggy for me

I would drop the terminator armor for the priest. You won't even want to disembark him from the LRC unless you have to. The great thing about him is his FNP and FC are a bubble and he doesn't have to be attached to the squad. You definitely don't want him being singled out in CC either, so it is best to keep him cheap and inside a transport.

Also, I don't like the chaplain. I know he confers fearless, but doesn't seem necessary. Seeing as you have preferred enemy with your libby, his Liturgies of Blood won't help. That frees up lots of points, points I'd use on extra armor for the LRC and PF for the assault squads.

If you want to keep your Chaplain, drop the terminator armor and SS on the Libby.

Quite a good lists in the right hands, but be careful to hide you Razorbacks as they are only AV11 at best and can fold very easily. They are a lot of firepower and you don't want to lose them.

The list is alright but at this points level that single Land Raider is going to get taken out early on and will leave your hard hitting unit stuck near the back of the board.

I also don't understand why you've got a Chaplain in with the Terminator unit when a Librarian has unleash rage power.

I think the list is good, the LR is the counter assault element and they will come to you with this firepower.

You could stand to make the RAS squads a bit lighter, you dont need PF's on them if they are sitting in a box. Drop them for the 50 points. Alternatively you can make one of the razors TW heavy flamer to be anti horde unit to use behind the LR.

The only thing walking up to a Land Raider are suicide meltas which are expected to die. You're only going to counter assault a suicide squad.

The local meta here is a mix of Twin-lascannon and Twin Assault Cannon Razors with 5-man assault squads armed with melta/infernus pistol (on the sergeant). The cost of a Melta/infernus pistol is the same as a powerfist IIRC, so by going with 4 squads with melta you would save 30 points, dropping the librarians SS would save you the rest. I agree with the rest that the chaplain seems superfluous with the Libby's Unleash Rage power, but I suppose that you might want the unit to be fearless.

Also, I don't see much in the way of fast outflanking firepower, perhaps something like a landspeeder or Baal predator might help you, but you'd need to run them in multiples to increase durability.

You'll really need to make sure that LRC survives to see combat, as so much of your army is tied up in it. It's going to have to spend much of the game advancing behind the Razor wall, or it will need to find some cover in some way in order to make it past the midfield in one piece.

Why would you want your squad to be fearless? Also 100 points cost isn't good for fearless.

okay,
I took off SS and Term armour from my librarian

I got rid of my chaplain, but should i give my librarian preffered enemy for sure since he doesnt have a chaplain reroll on charge?

I gave 2 RAS sarge's inf pistols, and them all meltas.

I don't understand the shooty upgrades on the assault marines. If you want marines that are shooty, aren't you better going for another unit type? Assault marines are wasted if they're sitting in a transport, and once they're out of the transport, you want them assaulting, not shooting one good weapon and five pistols.

Stoffer wrote:I don't understand the shooty upgrades on the assault marines. If you want marines that are shooty, aren't you better going for another unit type? Assault marines are wasted if they're sitting in a transport, and once they're out of the transport, you want them assaulting, not shooting one good weapon and five pistols.

The reasoning behind using assault squads in this case is twofold. The first reason is that 5 assault marines is the cheapest way to get melta guns en masse, as you can get one melta gun per 5 guys in an assault squad versus taking 10 tactical marines to get a melta gun. Furthermore, taking assault marines and removing their jump packs gives a point reduction toward the purchase of a transport, making that razorback significantly cheaper. With luck, you might never disembark your assault marines, allowing them to remain as Fast scoring Razorbacks. Though, if necessary, the assault marines can disembark and dump melta and bolt pistol fire into something and (as a last resort to slow something down) assault it.

It's just a different sort of build than than the traditional "Assault marines jump and tactical marines drive and shoot." mentality that has existed in the army lists for forever.


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elswick wrote:okay,
I took off SS and Term armour from my librarian

I got rid of my chaplain, but should i give my librarian preffered enemy for sure since he doesnt have a chaplain reroll on charge?

I gave 2 RAS sarge's inf pistols, and them all meltas.

As your current total is 1720, I believe that you're set up perfectly to put infernus pistols on the other two sergeants, and then throw in a single typhoon/multi-melta landspeeder for harassment. Alternatively, leave off the Landspeeder and extra infernus pistols and use a baal pred with dozer blade. You can use the flamestorm cannon if you want, but the TWAC gives you the ability to throw twin-linked assault cannon shots downrange and could end up being something for the anti-armor portion of your army.

I have 100 points to spare, no chaplain and all razbacks have inf pistol + melta.

Im not sure i like a land speeder to much theyre really fragile.

is there a better use of 100 points??

What about dropping one predator for a vindicator - and giving my vehicles hunter-killer missles? unti i have 1850?

Probably the best use of the last 100 would be a Baal Predator. You'd have to drop an Infernus Pistol somewhere, but it would add to your armor saturation. You could consider two HF/MM Land Speeders too, although you'd need to find 20 points for that.

elswick wrote:I have 100 points to spare, no chaplain and all razbacks have inf pistol + melta.

Im not sure i like a land speeder to much theyre really fragile.

is there a better use of 100 points??

What about dropping one predator for a vindicator - and giving my vehicles hunter-killer missles? unti i have 1850?

If you drop one pred for a vindi, drop all preds for vindis. That would actually fits your lists type rather well. Moving your LRC, Vindis, and Rbacks forward until you are midfield and unleash hell. Otherwise, keep the 3 preds together.

Landspeeders are fragile?! You are running 4 Rbacks which aren't much better, and speeders are much faster and can move flat out for a cover save if needed. However if you are that concerned, take the baal pred.

I don't think 4, 5 man troops are enough for objectives and the razorback is too weak to count on to save them. On the libby have you thought of shield for the 5+ cover save for it also I drop the lrc for a lrr save you 10 points and get extra armor for it. On the assault terms I go just 1 th cause you lose out on the 1 str and 1inv str 9 th to str 8 is not really any better. On the assualt sq I think the pistol is more a point filler if you have nothing eles to take and you seem like you want to be in mid field and not in the back I would think about taking 2 vindys and 2 baal. Well that's my 2 cents

what i meant by fragile is that, my army will be slower than them
they're 10 Armour which is weaker than anything in my list ( i know razors aren't much better) but
what i meant was 1 speeder will get taken out. no problem. if i was going to run speeders i would want to run more than one
so they would have more than one target

elswick wrote:what i meant by fragile is that, my army will be slower than them
they're 10 Armour which is weaker than anything in my list ( i know razors aren't much better) but
what i meant was 1 speeder will get taken out. no problem. if i was going to run speeders i would want to run more than one
so they would have more than one target

I see, but at 12" movement and 48" ML range, you can easily outrange some opponents to increase survivability. Also, if you use the smaller flight stand it can hide behind a razorback for a 4+ cover save.

It being faster that your list isn't a bad thing, because it has the range to make up for it. Also, it can be useful for late game flat out moves for objective contesting. LANDSPEEDERS FTW!

It may be a priority to some opponents, but I would much rather take out the giant AV14 threat coming straight towards me. Next on my list are your fast lascannons. In my experience, my landspeeders are usually the last thing on the table and I run two in separate units to act individually.

elswick wrote:
Also - can you use shield on opponents turn, and (for example) use blood lance on my turn? Rules point to yes, but my friend says he has to be an epistolary or else the epistolary upgrade is completely stupid since you can't use Shield of Sanguine on your turn. I agree why he thinks this but the rules are foggy for me

Rulebook FAQ states turn means player turn. So one power your turn, one power his.

You can rage and use a force weapon, for example, in one player turn if you were epistolary. It is still a waste though.

'tis strange that certain armies can not use this for example vanilla powers all happen in their own turn whereas purifiers can melt orks every cc round.