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http://wargamesfactory.com/announcements/wwii-german-infantry-preview-1

360 degree picture of them. The overall body detail doesn't look too bad, although the things I dislike are the rifle, expressionless face and the fact he looks less like a soldier, and more like he is trying to do ballet skipping around with a stick grenade in his had. The grip on that rifle looks pretty bad too, almost like the hands of Action Man toys. I do however like the body which has nice detail, although I think there are several points which let the entire model down, such as he is a soldier, not on the parade ground, and he really doesn't look like a fighting soldier. That's what I liked about the Warlord Games Germans, fiddly as they were: every one could easily be posed to look like a real soldier in combat: scurrying behind cover, shouting at the others to hit the deck, snapping off a shot on the run, hunkering down behind a wrecked tank, etc, etc.

Wow green armymen in grey.

winnertakesall has covered the salient points, one can only wonder what the rest are like if this is what they choose to preview.

Don't like.

How often have I said that about WF stuff now?

notprop wrote:Wow green armymen in grey.

Haven't the WWII German armymen always been in grey plastic?

I don't think he's too bad, I mean you'd look unimpressed if you were just mono-grey. He should have a war face on though

Still, their 3D previews are far better than GW's, and at least they actually preview things more than a week in advance

The pose on the rifle is very odd. His left hand is near the trigger, which is a very awkward pose to transition into from a regular rifle-carrying pose. Also, holding the gun up like that taxes the muscles like mad, if my brief test with an air rifle is anything to go by.

Yay a WGF thread. I know how this will turn out, since I started half of them

Warlord already beat them to the punch and I tend to find their stuff better

warspawned wrote:

Still, their 3D previews are far better than GW's, and at least they actually preview things more than a week in advance

So we can agonize for weeks as they barely fix anything?

Agamemnon2 wrote:The pose on the rifle is very odd. His left hand is near the trigger, which is a very awkward pose to transition into from a regular rifle-carrying pose. Also, holding the gun up like that taxes the muscles like mad, if my brief test with an air rifle is anything to go by.

You are quite right. I just tried that with a kar.98 and it makes no sense. If the soldier was left handed and you looked at this as a still from a film you might get a pose like that, because once the rifle is vertical it balances well from the grip portion of the stock. But I can't picture someone doing that. There are manual at arms for that period, they should look at those. Or better yet, some WWII footage of some one throwing "potato mashers". Often, the formalized drills of training get modified for field use.

As somone who has done WW2 reenacting as a german that pose first off is horrible. Secondly they forgot the breadbag which is something every german soldier carried into battle no matter what. All in all really a bad attempt at these and honestly they need too try and actually beef out there lines a little more before doing one too two boxes and starting something new. Plus as stated warlord already has some great plastics for WW2, as well as several other companies.

Oh wow. WF once again surprises me with the quality of their figures. Have any of their sculptors ever actually seen a human being, let alone a soldier?

Warlord Games has better plastics.

It looks fine. The WF hate-wagon is annoying and unwarranted.

Las wrote:It looks fine. The WF hate-wagon is annoying and unwarranted.

Is this hate-wagon behind the totally reasonable criticism bus that every other poster in this thread is on?

The Warlord Games ones look far superior and are pretty cheap. I don't see that those can be topped for 28mm plastics - Wargames Factory should release something that isn't already being done better by other companies.

Ok, I'll admit, my comment might have come off a little harsh. Let me rephrase.

I feel that this figure's pose is stiff, robotic, and completely unnatural. Furthermore, I find that the rest of their line has similar issues. This leads me to question their sculptors' skill.

I'd also like to ask, why Germans? There are a million other companies out there that make ww2 era germans. Seems a strange choice to make in the historical market.

WG imo produces better miniatures. The detail itself isn't a problem, this fellow seems nicely detailed, it's just the pose is prety wierd. I have seen other work by the sculptor, and it is strange as a lot of his other work is rather good. The old zombies, celts, light troops and shock troops weren't too bad, but this new stuff I'm not too fond of.

Perhaps the production process has changed? Bad design software could be the culprit. No excuse, but it's something.

Guildsman wrote:I'd also like to ask, why Germans? There are a million other companies out there that make ww2 era germans. Seems a strange choice to make in the historical market.

As a local Flames of War player put it: "Germans are the Space Marines of World War II"

Reminds me of the old Airfix 1/72...

Mick

Guildsman wrote:Perhaps the production process has changed? Bad design software could be the culprit. No excuse, but it's something.

Actually, I remember something from the old management of WF saying that the chinese were heavily screwing them over with production after they changed to them, and that they were being given poor quality stuff despite what other people were getting.

Then they should have gone too rendara like most of Europe does as they are the ones who showed GW how too do plastic moulding.

On the comment about why germans, it is one of the LauL things that made it to 100% so blame the internet (hah like the laul wasnt a flawed system anyways) I think though US troops are supposedly next. (shudder)

Empchild wrote:Then they should have gone too rendara like most of Europe does as they are the ones who showed GW how too do plastic moulding.

American plastics dont like doing business with UK people it seems like

plastictrees wrote:

Las wrote:It looks fine. The WF hate-wagon is annoying and unwarranted.

Is this hate-wagon behind the totally reasonable criticism bus that every other poster in this thread is on?

There's a difference between justified criticism and "WF DOES IT AGAIN LOLOLOL."

It's a perfectly decent model. Flawless? No, but decent and by WF's history of pricing probably well worth the cost.

It appears I was mistaken, WF have changed sculptor, or more the last one quit as apparently he wasn't paid for his work.

Las wrote:

There's a difference between justified criticism and "WF DOES IT AGAIN LOLOLOL."

It's a perfectly decent model. Flawless? No, but decent and by WF's history of pricing probably well worth the cost.

That is personal opinion as often we have found with WGF that even if the initial render looks nice the end result is far from it. The problem with these are historically they are off by several key points and people want there models too have a life like feel. Now as per the cost that in the end is based too the individual buyer as some people will see it as a waste of money while others will see it as a steal of a deal. The problem with WW2 is you can't just do 3 or 4 box sets and call it good. It would be like making a box of French Napoleonics, a box of British and say have fun. There was a lot of change in uniforms and tons of different types of troops and Warlord does a great job keeping up with constant releases and even they have barely touched the rim of variables for WW2.

Empchild wrote:

Las wrote:

There's a difference between justified criticism and "WF DOES IT AGAIN LOLOLOL."

It's a perfectly decent model. Flawless? No, but decent and by WF's history of pricing probably well worth the cost.

That is personal opinion as often we have found with WGF that even if the initial render looks nice the end result is far from it. The problem with these are historically they are off by several key points and people want there models too have a life like feel. Now as per the cost that in the end is based too the individual buyer as some people will see it as a waste of money while others will see it as a steal of a deal. The problem with WW2 is you can't just do 3 or 4 box sets and call it good. It would be like making a box of French Napoleonics, a box of British and say have fun. There was a lot of change in uniforms and tons of different types of troops and Warlord does a great job keeping up with constant releases and even they have barely touched the rim of variables for WW2.

Well, thats not entirely true. There are very few manufacturers who attempt a 100% completely comprehensive historical range. Most historical players buy miniatures from a variety of companies and mash them up into an army, often even ping-ponging between rulesets as they are released. FoW is very much an anomaly in historicals. In fact, plenty of manufacturers DO put out a single box of Infantry for two nations of a particular historical conflict and then say have fun, because creating a completely covered range is an astounding task and the market is flooded with decent to excellent quality miniatures that together cover an entire period (napoleonics especially). It isnt like 40k where you can just make stuff up.

Its perfectly reasonable for WGF to put this out and maybe return to the era another time, hell, its what theyre doing with all their other ranges.

Las wrote:
Well, thats not entirely true. There are very few manufacturers who attempt a 100% completely comprehensive historical range. Most historical players buy miniatures from a variety of companies and mash them up into an army, often even ping-ponging between rulesets as they are released. FoW is very much an anomaly in historicals. In fact, plenty of manufacturers DO put out a single box of Infantry for two nations of a particular historical conflict and then say have fun, because creating a completely covered range is an astounding task and the market is flooded with decent to excellent quality miniatures that together cover an entire period (napoleonics especially). It isnt like 40k where you can just make stuff up.

Its perfectly reasonable for WGF to put this out and maybe return to the era another time, hell, its what theyre doing with all their other ranges.

Ya just so you know I am both a manufacturer and a retail owner and no many historical gamers won't mash unless the product lines are close because they want them too look similiar. This can be seen with Perry, Victrix, and Warlord, Dixon etc. It would be like buying some old glorys and trying too match them in with some Bolt Actions. It would look wonky to say the least as most companies are very different in there measurements despite what they show on the box. Your just trying at this point too justify why you think we all hate WGF and I won't derail the thread explaining peoples complaints towards them, but what has been posted is solid critcism and nothing more. You are the only one here really trying too stir the pot.

Empchild wrote:

Las wrote:
Well, thats not entirely true. There are very few manufacturers who attempt a 100% completely comprehensive historical range. Most historical players buy miniatures from a variety of companies and mash them up into an army, often even ping-ponging between rulesets as they are released. FoW is very much an anomaly in historicals. In fact, plenty of manufacturers DO put out a single box of Infantry for two nations of a particular historical conflict and then say have fun, because creating a completely covered range is an astounding task and the market is flooded with decent to excellent quality miniatures that together cover an entire period (napoleonics especially). It isnt like 40k where you can just make stuff up.

Its perfectly reasonable for WGF to put this out and maybe return to the era another time, hell, its what theyre doing with all their other ranges.

Ya just so you know I am both a manufacturer and a retail owner and no many historical gamers won't mash unless the product lines are close because they want them too look similiar. This can be seen with Perry, Victrix, and Warlord, Dixon etc. It would be like buying some old glorys and trying too match them in with some Bolt Actions. It would look wonky to say the least as most companies are very different in there measurements despite what they show on the box. Your just trying at this point too justify why you think we all hate WGF and I won't derail the thread explaining peoples complaints towards them, but what has been posted is solid critcism and nothing more. You are the only one here really trying too stir the pot.

Hahaha, obviously I meant if the product lines are similar. Did you think I meant making up a force of 28mm Perry Peninsular Line Infantry with 6mm Gallic Cavalry or something? Yeesh.

I have old glorys and ABs in my Prussian army, as do many other people i know. Obviously youre not going to mash up different scales but I dont think I know anyone who plays historicals with a 100% homogenous army. Im sure some people do it, but I would imagine that they are the minority as mixing and matching means you can get a much more varied and unique looking army.

Anyway, this is besides the point, and no, Im not trying to derail the thread. You were the one who brought up the fact that WGF is only releasing this one uniform set as if it were a complaint about the quality of the sculpt. Ive never bought anything from WGF, I'm not some kind of fan boy. Its just that every time a preview thread comes up people jump on the hate and bash them, despite the fact that there are plenty of worse manufacturers out there. Real criticism? Cool. Doing the whole "its just like WGF to be a pile of gak," not so much. (See Guildsman rephrasing his post)

Why hello there, Conscripts for my Imperial Guard army. Assuming that I start caring about 40k again.

Another one in firing position

Needs more dynamic positions


http://wargamesfactory.com/announcements/wwii-german-infantry-preview-2