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Here is a 2k list I'm piecing together i am new and would like some comments from vets on how well this list would work.

belial
Ezekial

DWT -4Th/SS, 1chainfist,CML
DWT -4Th/SS, 1chainfist,CML
DWT -4Th/SS, 1chainfist,CML
DWT -4Th/SS, 1chainfist,CML
DWT -5Th/SS, apoc,banner

Ven Dread-Assault cannon,Flamer,DCCW
Ven Dread-Assault cannon,Flamer,DCCW

Speeder- Multimelta,Typoon
Speeder- Multimelta,Typoon

Ok pretty standard DW list. I am alittle unsure about Ezekiel being in there. Thats up to you though.

I don't feel the DW need chainfists in a squad with 4 TH as well. But if you think you need them then put them on a normal terminator and have the CML on a TH/SS term. It helps with wound allocations alittle bit more. I also feel that you might miss LC's a bit if you come acrossed a horde army. ie Orks, nids, even blob guard. I run my squads with 3 LC's and 2 TH/SS's. It works really well for me and helps kill units faster. I alos feel you might need some more support from ranged weapons. I add 2 vindies to my army or even preds to help spred the fire power and target saturation.

Do you plan on DS'ing any of your terminators? If so then you will for sure need more things on board. If so you also might want to invest in some ravenwing bikes.

I like the addition of dreads but I feel Plasma cannons are the way to go with them. Personal choice mind you.

Hope this helps some.

Good Luck!

Edit: So to add on some help. Here is a list that I would run at the 1850 mark. I had it posted on someone else tread for 1850 lists. But with some swapping and adding you could bump it up to 2k. I prefer to run Duelwing/doublewing. So this is what I would bring.

Belial: Claws
Sammael: Speeder

Terms
-Apoth
-Banner
-CML
-Mix of LC's and TH/SS

Terms (x3 squads)
-Mix of LC's and TH/SS
-CML

Bikes
-Apoth
-+3 Bikes
-x2 Plasmagun

Speeder
-MM, Typoon
Speeder
-MM, Typoon

Vindicator
Vindicator

To get to 2k there are plenty of options to do. This is just an idea of what I was talking about. By all means take this as help and not a absolute. I only give lists to help not to say this list is the best or what have you. You might find you want more or less of something. So feel free to change or ignore all together. And as always, Good Luck!

where i play someone plays a list kinda like this and it is super hard to deal with i dont think ive ever beat him when he plays it

Ezekiel is there purely for the table ld10 hood as it will shut down 50% of powers I just wish there were better options for psydef.The chainfists are for gutting landraider and walkers as anything Av12+ will start to be a problem for hammers. Maybe running the squads with 2 TH/SS ,2 LC, 1 chain might be the way to go since if done right i will have 5 unique models per squad and will be able to thin out some hordes and deal with armor. As far as ranged support goes im a little lost on what the best use of points will be.Speeders are nice and cheap but are quite fragile . Everything else is about the same points its just a matter of picking your favorite.

I think I would drop down to 4 squads to get more support.
Dreads are little too similar to termies and will have too short a range in your list.
3 typhoons is usually a great idea as well.
Landraiders do not tend to get too close to termies without troops popping out and assaulting them, I am not sure chain fists are needed. LCs are needed as you need the extra attacks against cc units.

Your list has the right idea,, it is all to personal taste.

Yeah I understand I am just not sure if its worth the points for Ezekiel. Most at my LGS don't use psychers so I don't have that problem, but I still cant see that he is going to be worth the points.

If you really think you need the CF's then your set up is better for sure. Again I don't think they are needed. Unless you play against Land Raiders everywhere, in every army.

Speeders are weak but with there 48 inch range there shouldn't be to much to deal with them. I for one would rather deal with some terminators that are in my face before I shot at a speeder.

As far as other support yes that I up to you to decide what is better for you. We can not tell you what to take. We just feel that you really need fire support.

After some revisions how does this look

belial

DWT - 5 Th/SS, ,CML or 3TH/SS, 2LC
DWT - 5 Th/SS, ,CML
DWT - 5 Th/SS, ,CML
DWT - 5 Th/SS, ,CML
DWT -5Th/SS, apoc,banner

Ven Dread-Assault cannon or plasma cannon,DCCW
Ven Dread-Assault cannon or plasma cannon,DCCW

Speeder- Multimelta,Typoon
Speeder- Multimelta,Typoon
Speeder- Multimelta,Typoon

Vindicator Or Las pred

I still think you need to mix in some LC's in all of your squads.

Either or with your heavy. the problem is they both are a target and will probably die pretty fast unless you can cover them well.

I also don't think you really need the Venerable Dreads, I think regular ones would do just as good. It would also save some points. I also like Plasma better then the cannons. They have longer range for one. They should kill more in the long run. Its ultimatly your choice though.

Cheers!

how effective would 3 vindicators be? I dont see them being used all that much in any dex

3 is good, some might think over kill. I have used 2 and they are nice in pairs for sure. It really all depends on what kinda armies you face. I like them to deal with hordes and pallies. I don't really use them for AT so much. I will shoot at a land raider with them as they will almost always get a hit. Because of there size.

Do you have anything for this army yet or are you trying to figure list first then play with them?

I have 12 terminators with Shields .I proxied a game with 7 squads against my friend but thats all ive done with it.I have played against several Deathwing armies and liked what i saw.Everyone ive seen spams TH/SS so that gave me the impression that was the best to do.

Well yes and no really. It really depends on your meta first and foremost. If the poeple around you play alot of heavy weapons and what not then Yes I can see why they run all TH/SS's.

I have been playing DA and DW since they first came out. I didn't use much of the TH/SS as they sucked alittle back then. So I built most of terminators to have LC's. They were awesome. I did however give my Sgt the TH/SS as I liked the addition of the double str for MC and what not and for helping deal with AT and Dreads in CC. I still feel that spamming TH/SS is not only boring but really unecessary.

You honeslty might find that you need all the TH/SS and I want you to understand that that may be the case for you. I only know from my experiences and I have not needed to do that(not that I would). I can give you my opinions on things and let you decide.

I know this is an expensive hobby so if you can proxy, do it as much as you can before really buying to much. I Love terminators and DA period so I have alot of DA. I like them especially as they really have 3 seperate armies in one codex. DW, RW, marines and well I guess even doublewing. So make that 4 armies. Not to mention there fluff and what not.

Anyways I hope this helps you out.

3 vindicators would force you to charge forward. It would well for some armies but not Deathwing particularly as you only have a few models so everything has go forward or at least work together.
3 preds would work well for deathwing.

I would also just change to plasma cannons with maybe a lascannon thrown in for the dreads.

LCs are to fight cc units. You will not kill enough orks per turn to keep up.

I beg to differ. I use 2 vindies all the time with my Deathwing and I must say they work rather well for me. I have never used the preds as I don't feel they are mobile enough for my taste.

Tha mian reason for the plasma is this. Its free, its nice for some infantry killing and did I say its free.

You will however kill more orks then you would with TH/SS alone. Not to mention those SS really won't help against those Orks that much.

Anyways Cheers!