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All, please comment, trying for the first time the cheese that is Vulcan.
He is converted for my army with a big torch and called the "Keeper of the Flame" but I digress...
Army list 1850 on the nose:

HQ: Forgefather Vulkan He'stan and Sternguard Friends in a Land Raider (745 pts):
1 Forgefather Vulkan He'stan, 190 pts
9 Sternguard Veteran Squad, 305 pts (Combi-Meltagun x2; Heavy Flamer x2)
1 Sergeant (Bolter; Power Fist x1)
1 Land Raider Redeemer, 250 pts (Multi-melta)

Elite: Dreadnought to Shock and Awe...(150 pts)
1 Dreadnought, 150 pts (Multi-Melta, Heavy Flamer)
1 Drop Pod (Drop Pod Assault)

Elite: Dreadnought - More Dakka - (125 pts)
1 Dreadnought, 125 pts (Twin-Linked Autocannon; Twin-Linked Autocannon)

Troops: Tactical Squad - Bring out the clones! #1 (230 pts)
9 Tactical Squad, 230 pts (Flamer; Multi-melta)
1 Sergeant (Bolter; Power Fist x1)
1 Rhino (Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Storm Bolter)

Troops: Tactical Squad - Bring out the clones! #2 (230 pts)
9 Tactical Squad, 230 pts (Flamer; Multi-melta)
1 Sergeant (Bolter; Power Fist x1)
1 Rhino (Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Storm Bolter)

Troops: Tactical Squad - Bring out the clones! #3 (230 pts)
9 Tactical Squad, 230 pts (Flamer; Multi-melta)
1 Sergeant (Bolter; Power Fist x1)
1 Rhino (Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Storm Bolter)

Fast Attack: Land Speeder Squadron (70 pts)
1 Land Speeder Squadron, 70 pts (Multi-melta x1; Heavy Flamer x1)

Fast Attack: Land Speeder Squadron (70 pts)
1 Land Speeder Squadron, 70 pts (Multi-melta x1; Heavy Flamer x1)

Total Roster Cost: 1850

My take on my list and some thoughts:
My main misgiving is the Sternguard, a great deal of points but what a mess they can make.
Yes, I thought of thunder termies but they must melee and hop in and out of the LR to catch anyone, Sternguard can continue blasting away.
Speeders are cheap and do a fantastic job, I feel I need more.
I could remove one "clone" squad and go for an assault squad with no jump packs and get them a Rhino, 2 flamers and a Sgt with thunder hammer for 240.
(thinking this only because I have a bunch of marines with normal packs and bolt pistols and chain swords and they would be considered troops...).

Give me your thoughts I know this needs a little something and cannot put my finger on it...

Thanks!

Hum an interesting list indeed. I kind of like it. I do have a couple of questions.

Do you plan on combat squading your Tac marines?

Do you feel the one Drop Pod is going to really be worth it?

I feel the Sgt's should have combi weapons. They are so worth while especially with He'stan as he will make them T-L'ed which maximizes there chance to hit.


It would be really nice if you could upgrade the Dread in drop Pod to a Iron Clad. The added armor will help when you Drop Pod it.

I think meltas would be better on your Tac squads and Combi-flamers on your Sternguards. Personal choice for that.

I am not sure how you think removing JP's from assault marines makes them troops though. That is not true at all.

Just a few Ideas there for you. Cheers!

Do you plan on combat squading your Tac marines?

Maybe, but not likely, depends on objectives: able to multi-melt from Rhino or flame depending on hordes or armor that needs killing...

Do you feel the one Drop Pod is going to really be worth it?

Gives a good chance to drop next to something juicy, hope to have it all pay for itself (Vehicle: multimelt, Hordes: Heavy Flamer).

I feel the Sgt's should have combi weapons. They are so worth while especially with He'stan as he will make them T-L'ed which maximizes there chance to hit.

Decking out the squad with a horde of combi-weapons is possible, just dealing with limitations of what I have NOW but could get more if it looks appealing...

It would be really nice if you could upgrade the Dread in drop Pod to a Iron Clad. The added armor will help when you Drop Pod it.

Good thought, a little more expensive but may work out well. Just wanted a multi-melta for the added range and figure higher armor or not this unit may die immediately after getting the job done.

I think meltas would be better on your Tac squads and Combi-flamers on your Sternguards. Personal choice for that.

I guess I have a power fist to deal with big nasties, Jack of all trades sometimes does not cut it so combi-flamers may be the way to go. Upgrade squads with melta costs 30 points, where do I take away?

I am not sure how you think removing JP's from assault marines makes them troops though. That is not true at all.

Said "counts as infantry" so more of a comment of troop type rather than a scoring unit, think you are correct.
Thanks!

Talizvar wrote:(thinking this only because I have a bunch of marines with normal packs and bolt pistols and chain swords and they would be considered troops...).

Don't mean to rub it in but yeah you did say Troops..lol

balsak_da_mighty wrote:

Talizvar wrote:(thinking this only because I have a bunch of marines with normal packs and bolt pistols and chain swords and they would be considered troops...).

Don't mean to rub it in but yeah you did say Troops..lol

Gack! meant to say the codex says "then counts as infantry" and I did say he was correct right? When I am wrong I am wrong, I do not try to weasel out (especially with too much evidence...).

BTW yes, you do mean to rub it in... you are forgiven for the correction but for laughing at me it shall never be forgotten!

Fair enough!

I think you should screw the sternguards and get 5x TH/SH termies. They really benefit from Vulkan's chapter tactics rule

Leon wrote:I think you should screw the sternguards and get 5x TH/SH termies. They really benefit from Vulkan's chapter tactics rule

Agreed TH/SS termies have great bang when they jump something, I just hate the time lost jumping back into a landraider to hunt something down.
Few opponents allowed themselves to be in range to get assaulted other than the occasional horde armies.
The flamers and melta benefit from Vulkan as well for the Sternguard...

Thanks for the feedback, will give it more thought.

Do you think the LR is really worth it? I don't know if the SG take up an Elite or HS spot (the later I think), but what about ditching the LR and adding another dred with a decked out drop pod and decking out the other one and adding one? Is that nuts?

Strengaurd are in fact elite so you really can't do that.

If you wanted and could go with another dread in drop pod you would really want a 3rd Drop pod anyways. If you only had 2 pods then only one would come out first turn anyways so just keep the one that you have.

The Land raider can be a big part of the army or be blow up forst shot. It really all dpeends on what army you are facing for that. I have seen 2 land raiders blow up first turn. Seeing SW teminators walk acrossed the field dying to vindies because there land raiders got blown up is priceless.

If you want sternguard and Dreads Drop poding then go with a MoTF. He alloys Dreads to be elites or heavies. Win, win.

Could MoTF allow for 6 dreads?! Sorry to hijack...
DrG

I have the itching for sallies...

Yes..its either or both.

You be crazy people

Let me see,... I have 2 drop pods together and can whip together a third.

So drop-in maybe 2 melta / heavy flamer dreads, get master of forge and maybe squeeze in sternguard in a pod or field more dreads?

I have converted 3 dreads to twin linked AC for Grey Knights so I am kinda tapped out on Dreads.

I feel I should be playing Blood Angels.

Land Raider was acting as a bit of cover for the Rhinos but they can blow smoke like everyone else...

I have found from personal experience you go big or go home: Drop pod as much as possible OR Get into a bunch of troop transports and wagons ho! to the other side / objectives shooting from top hatch.

Will play with the points and see if I can get more dreads to fit in OK

So what are you looking for from a list now? Is it going to All drop podding? Or just alittle bit with support on ground?

I have a Drop pod list ready for you but its all drop pods and 2k. I am not sure how set in stone you are at 1850.

Well I guess I will see your new list and check it out.