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Not sure if this is the right place, but oh well.

I was just wondering. When playing a Vendetta, it has an actual base for it. While other skimmers/ fliers have flying bases etc. Do the assault (base to base rule) apply to it while it is flying? Just an odd thought with an odd question.

Ack! I almost got my head handed to me on the rules issues about this.
Short answer: If the model comes with a base it must be mounted to it to be legal.
The base works for assaults.
Actual distance from model to base is not taken into account on deployment - embark or debark from base.
Not sure what you had planned but that pretty much covers it.

So in other words for the Vendetta, even though it is a flying vehicle, and technically is high above all heads, CQB still applies base to base with it?

For the Valk, Vendetta and Stormraven, the base is used for assaults (as for all skimmers), for dis/embarking, and for distance to objectives.

For all other purposes, the base is ignored, as is normal for skimmers.

Note that (unless you're playing Apoc) Vendettas, Valks, and Stormravens are Skimmers, not flying units.

If you have a big enough model, you could theoretically get into contact with the hull, too. Either one works but contact must be made for the assault to happen.

-cgmckenzie

I think the contact with the hull is a good idea. A titan, or a stompa might be able to hit one in the air, but a little nob wouldn't be abel to.

In non-Apocalypse games, Flyers count as skimmers and can be assaulted by getting into base contact. In Apocalypse games, Flyers may never be involved in assaults.

Tazay wrote:So in other words for the Vendetta, even though it is a flying vehicle, and technically is high above all heads, CQB still applies base to base with it?

It's not a flying vehicle.....it's a fast skimmer.

Or to put it another way, it'd be a touch much to have it wafting about up there with multiple twin-linked lascannons, unassaultable by (for the sake of argument) a Daemon prince with wings or a Bloodthirster, who happen to be about an inch or so short of touching it's actual hull, even if you modelled them doing the wave

I'd be fine with them being assaultable only with jump infantry/jetbikes/flight capable models, but as it stands the rules allow them to be assaulted by ground troops

I think the flight capable infantry idea is good. Seems fair enough.

Im alright with Daemon Prince's not being able to touch it and being unable to assault it

cgmckenzie wrote:If you have a big enough model, you could theoretically get into contact with the hull, too. Either one works but contact must be made for the assault to happen.

-cgmckenzie

You could also move into base contact on higher terrain. My warboss once jumped onto a vendetta from the third floor of a ruin and smashed it.

Tazay wrote:I think the flight capable infantry idea is good. Seems fair enough.

Im alright with Daemon Prince's not being able to touch it and being unable to assault it

I mentioned one with wings- it can fly up to it, as can a bloodthirster A wingless one i could see fuming at ground level, swiping at it like a cat with a dangly string


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Jidmah wrote:

cgmckenzie wrote:If you have a big enough model, you could theoretically get into contact with the hull, too. Either one works but contact must be made for the assault to happen.

-cgmckenzie

You could also move into base contact on higher terrain. My warboss once jumped onto a vendetta from the third floor of a ruin and smashed it.

An awesome moment of orkiness there I assume he surfed the wreck to the ground and strode off the burning hulk with a 'like dat, ladz '

The idea of having one jumping onto it, or being able to fly to it is a good idea. But the gunship being assultable by ground pounders that stay on the ground just doesn't make sense.