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Never made a list with a space marine chapter before. (daemons main army)
Bought the codex, need to figure out the models. So.. here it goes.

HQ

Belial-130

Interrogator-Chaplain - 175
Power fist
Combi-melt
Jump Pack

Troops-240
1 Sgt - chainfist/ stormbolter
1 Cyclone missile launcher/ Lightning claws
1 Lightning claw
2 th/ss

Troops-240
1 Sgt - chainfist/ stormbolter
1 Cyclone missile launcher/ Lightning claws
1 Lightning claw
2 th/ss

Troops-240
1 Sgt - chainfist/ stormbolter
1 Cyclone missile launcher/ Lightning claws
1 Lightning claw
2 th/ss

Heavy Support - 250
Land Raider

Heavy Support - 250
Land Raider

Heavy Support - 270
Crusader
Pintle strom bolter
Hk Missile

Elite - 135
Dreadnought -
Plasmacannon
DCC/Hf

Drop pod - 50



Total: 1980

Drop the dread in the pod. The two unique characters and a squad go in the crusader . Others chill in the other two land raiders

Ok your list is totally illegal.

Your first terminator squad.

Troops-270
1 Sgt - chainfist/ss (that even possible?)
3 Thunderhammer/ss
1 Cyclone missile launcher/ assault cannon

No you can not have CF and SS. Not an option. Only LC, TH/SS, SB/PF and then can upgrade PF to CF. Second you can not have both Assauolt cannon and CML. One or the other. Same thing goes with your other squads. Also the Terminators have no option to take Drop Pods as transports. In fact they have no option what so ever for a dedicated tranport.

Elite - 155
Dreadnought -
Plasmacannon
DCC/Hf

This has the wrong points. You are 25 points over.

You really should take a look at some of the other Threads that deal with Deathwing and see what they do. This is what I use at the 2k mark. It should give you an idea of what can be done with the Deathwing.

Belial: LC's
Sammael: Speeder

Deathwing Squad: Apoth, Banner, CML
Deathwing Squad: CML
Deathwing Squad: CML
Ravenwing x6: Apoth, 2x Plasmgun
-Attack Bike: MM

Speeder: Typhoon, MM
Speeder: Typhoon, MM
Speeder: Typhoon, MM

Vindicator: EA
Vindicator: EA
Vindicator: EA

My terminators are built like this.

LC
LC
LC, CML
TH/SS
Sgt: TH/SS

Second try.. What ya think? In OP

Looks better but why do you think you need the Chainfists?

I also feel if you need the chainfists then you should make the squad like this.

1 Sgt: TH/SS
1 CML, LC's
1 LC's
1 TH/SS
1 CF/SB

I am also alittle concerned with having CML's with a squad that is in a transport. If you want them to have a heavy weapon go with HF/CF then you can have more LC's or TH/SS. Almost half your armies points are into 3 tanks. If that is what you want then I guess it could work. It just kinda worries me that you will get shoot up first couple turns and have no support for the terminators that will be huffing it acrossed the board.


I am not sure why you want to Drop Pod the Dread, especially with a plasma cannnon. If you really want to drop Pod the Dread give it a MM. At least then it will hopefully kill a tank before it gets blown up as well.

Where is you Banner or Apothecary? I really think they are a must. The banner giving everyone in the sqaud +1 attack is priceless. Especially with a squad that has both Belial and a Chaplain in it.

All in all getting better just needs some minor tweeks. What are your tactics for this army. Seems kinda bland with tranported terminators in LR's.

First thing I dislike is the dreadnought with drop pod. It's expensive and drop pods without sending the terminators as a deathwing assault base isn't as effective. I do recommend taking one of the land raiders out to replace it with a vindicator. Add a few Termie troop squads in to add some extra oomph as 3 troops in 2k points is really low on scoring units. The chaplain can be nice but he may not be worth taking.

My list I have won a few Tourney's with (2k Points) nothing large mind you because I don't travel to play but ,

Belial
Land Raider
Land Raider Crusader
Vindicator

5X Terminator Squads
2 of them are close combat oriented only with mix of lightnig claws and tt/sh
3 of them have assault cannon (might be 2 of them been a while and am at work without codex)

balsak_da_mighty wrote:Looks better but why do you think you need the Chainfists?

I also feel if you need the chainfists then you should make the squad like this.

1 Sgt: TH/SS
1 CML, LC's
1 LC's
1 TH/SS
1 CF/SB

I am also alittle concerned with having CML's with a squad that is in a transport. If you want them to have a heavy weapon go with HF/CF then you can have more LC's or TH/SS. Almost half your armies points are into 3 tanks. If that is what you want then I guess it could work. It just kinda worries me that you will get shoot up first couple turns and have no support for the terminators that will be huffing it acrossed the board.


I am not sure why you want to Drop Pod the Dread, especially with a plasma cannnon. If you really want to drop Pod the Dread give it a MM. At least then it will hopefully kill a tank before it gets blown up as well.

Where is you Banner or Apothecary? I really think they are a must. The banner giving everyone in the sqaud +1 attack is priceless. Especially with a squad that has both Belial and a Chaplain in it.

All in all getting better just needs some minor tweeks. What are your tactics for this army. Seems kinda bland with tranported terminators in LR's.

Good advice. I like this set up
1 Sgt: TH/SS
1 CML, LC's
1 LC's
1 TH/SS
1 CF/SB


How about this list?

HQ

Belial-130

Interrogator-Chaplain - 175
Power fist
Combi-melt
Jump Pack

Troops-295
1 Sgt: TH/SS, Apocthecary
1 CML, LC's, Banner
1 LC's
1 TH/SS
1 CF/SB

Troops-240
1 Sgt: TH/SS
1 CML, LC's
1 LC's
1 TH/SS
1 CF/SB

Troops-240
1 Sgt: TH/SS
1 CML, LC's
1 LC's
1 TH/SS
1 CF/SB

Troops-240
1 Sgt: TH/SS
1 CML, LC's
1 LC's
1 TH/SS
1 CF/SB

Heavy Support - 250
Land Raider

Heavy Support - 145
Vindicator
Extra Armour
Dozer blade

Heavy Support - 270
Crusader
Pintle strom bolter
Hk Missile


TOTAL: 1985

Plan: Load up the chap and belial with the apoth and banner into the crusader and romp around delivering pain to all the boys and girls. The other squads will either deep strike or ride in the raider.

Hmm the only thing I don't like about the list is the 2 footslogging units only have 1 storm bolter and 1 missle launcher. Maybe make those 2 squads shooty oriented? More shots and a TH/SH or two in each to leave them with some good invul saves.

Ok why does the Chaplain have a JP? Honestly the chaplain is not needed IMHO. You are paying 45 more points then Belail for half the power.

Why are you set on Land Raiders so much?

They can be useful but very expensive. I think one Crusader is fine to get your command squad up there faster but really the other one is just going to be useless. To make it effective you really want to shoot oht lascannons. Well to do that you can only move 6 inch. The terminators can do that allready as well as firing there missle as well. Addin the extra HK missle is a waste, again IMHO. You spend those points to get a single missle shot.

Here is a list that gives you what you have been playing around with but IMHO built a bit better.

Belial: LC's

Dread: Plasma Cannon, DCCW
Dread: Plasma Cannon, DCCW
Dread: Plasma Cannon, DCCW

Deathwing:
-Banner, LC
-Apoth, LC
-LC
-TH/SS
-Sgt: LC
Deathwing: (x3)
-2 LC's
-CML, LC
-TH/SS
Sgt: TH/SS

Land Raider Crusader: Pintle SB
Vindicator: Dozer
Vindicator: Dozer

This is 1995.

Ok as far as tactics. Belail and the command squad of terms go in the cruasader. They don't have a heavy weapon as they want to get into assault not shoot. I really don't think the Chaplain is needed as they get the extra attacks from the banner and rerolling is really over kill. Plus he is over priced for that ability as Deathwing are allready fearless. You have 3 Deathwing squads beside the one in the LR. So 2 of them can DS the first turn with DW assault. You don't have to shove them down there throat but it gives you some leeway as to were to deploy them. The dreads and the vindicators are there to be target saturation. They will have to deal with them and the terminators raining down on them as well. I don't like shooty terminators as having PF really slow there damage potential down. Plus with us being the only squad to have a heavy weapon with assult weapons you might as well use it to your advantage. I think this is going to be your best bet. You have 21 terminators a few vehicles with pretty good armor and some mobility and some options with deploying. The last terminator squad can come in late game to secure an objective of contest one they might have.

I hope this helps.
Cheers!

Edit: Spelling mistakes

I have found landraiders do not in deathwing. First and foremost your list is lacking a lot and yet you have tons of points in three models.

I would say any marine army with 3 raiders is unbalanced in the sense elder/dark elder will lance you to death whilst orks will get bored of glancing and will go home.

However maybe 3 is the magic number where everything works well. So good luck .

I need a list with 2 land raiders. One of them must be a crusader. The more termies the better but effectiveness is what Im looking for I guess. I want to kill anything I catch, thus the chaplin.

Why do you need a list with 2 land raiders?

And what do you mean you "want to kill anything that I catch"? I am not understanding the reason with the JP.

Yes, that is what I tried to do with the list. Give you an effective army. You could make some room to take another land raider but I am just not sure it would be worth the points. Like MFletch said, eldar/DE would kill you in a heart beat.

Belial: LC's

Dread: Plasma Cannon, DCCW
Dread: Plasma Cannon, DCCW
Dread: Plasma Cannon, DCCW

Deathwing:
-Banner, LC
-Apoth, LC
-LC
-TH/SS
-Sgt: LC
Deathwing: (x3)
-2 LC's
-CML, LC
-TH/SS
Sgt: TH/SS

Land Raider Crusader: Pintle SB
Vindicator: Dozer
Vindicator: Dozer


While this list looks good, I feel that 3 dreads with plasma is to repetitive, Maybe something different in there? I like this list, it seems pretty solid, but part of me just wants to drop a dread and take a chaplin to give those LC reroll. Youre right, I dont need 2 land raiders.... BUT I HAVE TWO IN MY INVENTORY AND IT SEEMS WRONG NOT TO USE THEM!.... *sigh* the truth comes out...

Ah..So the truth does come out..lol

Yeah I agree the dreads are a bit repetitive. I do think they can be turned into something. What is the question?

Chaplain ok I will give you but why a chaplain with a JP?
Give him terminators armor and a comi melta if you want a chappy.

2 Dreads are 250 pts. You can get a LR for that. But honestly I would keep it empty. Use the Terminators like I suggested. 3 in reserve and DW assault two of them first turn. Another option is getting 2 Land speeder typhoons. The long range missle support they give is so nice. That is if you feel like you want some ravenwing support.

I am just giving suggestions by all means you don't have to do anything I say remember that.

Anyways, Cheers!

Actually I failed at editing. its not supposed to be a JP its supposed to be term armour and combi melta.. i just fail sometimes.

2 dreads beats the hell outta 1 landraider. I think Ill take your advice with the dwa. Only thin I gotta ask is why the term build like that?

Which is better

-2 LC's
-CML, LC
-TH/SS
Sgt: TH/SS

or

1 Sgt: TH/SS
1 CML, LC's
1 LC's
1 TH/SS
1 CF/SB


With the second option it seems as if theres free wound allocation bc no ones the same.... which you think?

The problem with your set up IMO is that the chainfist is extra points that you really don't need. Not to mention you allready have 2 models striking at Init 1. I like to strike with most the squad before or at least the same time with whom I am fighting.

Yes with my build all are not different. Which I will say makes them alittle more vulnerable. If you face alot of armor 14 then the CF might be worth it for you honestly.

About the Chaplain thats better then. I was wondering. I don't know why you would give him a PF though. Just keep the crozius, its a PW and strike at Init. I don't like my IC striking at Init 1 if I can help it.

Yup, sounds like a plan. Ill try to formulate a list again and hopefully I can get a good list set in stone.

Ok sounds good.

Cheers!

personally i'd recommend a librarian as the second hq choice with all the physic stuff out there these days something to nullify it will work a treat. my list at 1500pt is
belial,
librarian terminator,
5x 5 deathwing all th/ss. cml
one unit upgrade to apothecary.
had lots of success especially against lash armies, and super mech lists

Meh! I have never used a libby and I have not had to much trouble. Different places may vary.

Its not a bad option if you think you need the psychic defence. Why does everyone think they need TH/SS everywhere. Come on!

Do people shoot you with mass small arms or just with high str weapons?

Unfortunately over here in blighty a lot of tourny list are 5-6x lasplasRazorbacks. LasmissileDreads. Devastator marines or 8+Valkyrie vendetta. Dark lance/blaster heavy. Only mass little shooting are nids and orks until you get to combat then monstrous or powerclaw to death. I used to take all stormbolters assault cannon, but so much cover was in combat within 3 turns with no significant casualties to the enemy.

Hmm how about this list...

Belial-130

Interrogator-Chaplain - 175
Power fist
Combi-melt
Term Armour

Troops-240
1 Sgt: TH/SS
1 CML, LC's
1 LC's
1 TH/SS
1 CF/SB

Troops-240
1 Sgt: TH/SS
1 CML, LC's
1 LC's
1 TH/SS
1 CF/SB

Troops-240
1 Sgt: TH/SS
1 CML, LC's
1 LC's
1 TH/SS
1 CF/SB

Troops-240
1 Sgt: TH/SS
1 CML, LC's
1 LC's
1 TH/SS
1 CF/SB

Crusader - 250

Land Raider - 250

Ven Dread - 175
Missle Launcher/Lascannon

Ravenwing Support Squad- 65


TOTAL-2005

How about now? I know its pretty much the same thing but at least I know what terms I want

I just think you don't have enough for a 2k list. You have so much expensive units. Why the PF on the chaplain? Thats points that could be spent else where. In fact add a typhoon on the speeder. Thats a better option the a PF. The Ven Dread is way to expensive too. It will die pretty fast as most weapons are str8 so they will shoot at the Dread as they are not going to be able to deal with LR's with str8. If you don't think plamsa is good then do TL auto cannon. At least its free and you get the same shots.

I honestly liked the list before this one with the vindicator. You seem set on those CF's and thats ok. If that is what you want, then that is what you want. I still think your support is lacking in a big way. My list had the same number of terminators but had 3 dreads and 3 tanks in it. You have 2 tanks a speeder with only a heavy bolter and a Dread. I don't see anyone really being threatened by your list.

I hate to be picky but this is my honest truth. It is not a list I woulkd use, or really feel comfortable using. But we may just have different tactics and luck. Which is part of the game.

Good Luck!

Belial-130

Interrogator-Chaplain - 150
Combi-melt
Term Armour

Troops-295
1 Sgt: Apoth- TH/SS
1 Banner - CML, LC's
1 LC's
1 TH/SS
1 CF/SB

Troops-240
1 Sgt: TH/SS
1 CML, LC's
1 LC's
1 TH/SS
1 CF/SB

Troops-240
1 Sgt: TH/SS
1 CML, LC's
1 LC's
1 TH/SS
1 CF/SB

Troops-240
1 Sgt: TH/SS
1 CML, LC's
1 LC's
1 TH/SS
1 CF/SB

Venerable Dread: Las Cannon/ML - 190
Extra Armour

Land Raider Crusader: Pintle SB -255

Vindicator: Dozer -130

Vindicator: Dozer -130


TOTAL 2000

This list gives me lots. 3 tanks 1 dread 4 terms and 2 hq. This getting closer to the right answer? lol