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I hope the rumored Chaos Legions destroys the concept of Chaos glory. The Chaos Gods aren't supposed to be friends, they hate each other and seek to destroy each other.

Khorne hates Tzeentch for cowardice in wizardry and hates Slaanesh because Khorne wants to shed blood and kill, while Slaanesh wants to kill slowly and take pleasure in the act. What happened to Khorne liking martial pride as well?

Tzeentch hates Nurgle because they are polar opposites, change and decay. As stated above, he also doesn't get along with Khorne.

Nurgle hates Tzeentch, as stated above.

Slaanesh hates Khorne and wishes to become more powerful than him.


I say Chaos Legions should eliminate having multiple gods in one army, save for Black Legion and Word Bearers alone. When I see something like Kharn joined with a squad of Thousand Sons I just don't feel right. The Chaos Gods are supposed to hate each other, not team up and hold hands whenever they get the chance.

Maybe it's just me being picky, but I'm not really fond of the gods being a pantheon rather than four beings who would never dare thinking of working together save for the most dire situations.

I think you should be able to take cult troops as elites, unless your lord has the same mark. If you have a lord of undivided, he can take 1 of each as troops. Nurgle and Khorne sometimes work together, as do Tzeentch and Slaanesh. I think that only undivided/like marked HQs should be able to join marked troops though.

Chaos Glory represents the concept of Chaos Undivided. The interpretation of which is up to the individual followers. Some worship the four Gods as a pantheon, others worship it as the four faces of the one god. Just because they hate each other doesnt mean they cant get along at times, especially when it furthers the interests of Chaos as a whole. Remember the time all four Gods infused their power into Horus? Chaos Glory all right.

I'd say that's a bit extreme (I sure as hell hated being told that my Lost and the Damned army wasn't legal together any more, and I could field it as a bunch of chaos marines and some generic demons, and some filthy guard without lasguns could be fielded separately).

But, I'd certainly be happy with an incentive for not taking opposite gods together or penalty for doing so.

Don't forget Abaddon and his Mark of Chaos Ascendant or whatever its called. The four are capable of putting aside their differences, but I agree that this should have some justification in the rules.

Personally, I have never quite understood the hatred between Nurgle and Tzeentch. Decay represents a form of change. I realize that Nurgle is also about stagnation which is the antithesis of change, but to some extent the two are tied. I suppose there is a similar thing present in the Slaanesh-Khorne thing as well, someone that revels in the perfection of a swordstroke and the bloodspatter on the wall caused by their attack is going to be straddling the line between Khorne and Slaanesh.

I know two things I'd bet the Skull Throne on:

1) Whatever I hope for in terms of bringing back the previous C:CSM and actually producing competitive, characterful and fluffy legions that DON'T "just get along" (and especially World Eaters as CC monsters and 1K Sons as the BEST psykers), GW will find a way to smash those hopes.

2) If Matt Ward has anything to do with it, it will be another steaming log.

spiralingcadaver wrote:I'd say that's a bit extreme (I sure as hell hated being told that my Lost and the Damned army wasn't legal together any more, and I could field it as a bunch of chaos marines and some generic demons, and some filthy guard without lasguns could be fielded separately).

But, I'd certainly be happy with an incentive for not taking opposite gods together or penalty for doing so.

I like this idea even more than mine. Maybe if you field an army composing of solely one god and unmarked units your entire army gets a benefit. Granted, the benefit has to be good enough to make this worth taking among all of the cross-god combinations that people will be able to conceive of.

LordOfTheSloths wrote:
2) If Matt Ward has anything to do with it, it will be another steaming log.

Don't turn this into one of "those" threads, please. Also, pretty sure Phil Kelly is writing it. Someone made a point that every codex Ward's ever written has absolutely loathed Chaos, and that that could reflect his personal feelings on the army.

Justus wrote:I hope the rumored Chaos Legions destroys the concept of Chaos glory. The Chaos Gods aren't supposed to be friends, they hate each other and seek to destroy each other.

Khorne hates Tzeentch for cowardice in wizardry and hates Slaanesh because Khorne wants to shed blood and kill, while Slaanesh wants to kill slowly and take pleasure in the act. What happened to Khorne liking martial pride as well?

Tzeentch hates Nurgle because they are polar opposites, change and decay. As stated above, he also doesn't get along with Khorne.

Nurgle hates Tzeentch, as stated above.

Slaanesh hates Khorne and wishes to become more powerful than him.


I say Chaos Legions should eliminate having multiple gods in one army, save for Black Legion and Word Bearers alone. When I see something like Kharn joined with a squad of Thousand Sons I just don't feel right. The Chaos Gods are supposed to hate each other, not team up and hold hands whenever they get the chance.

Maybe it's just me being picky, but I'm not really fond of the gods being a pantheon rather than four beings who would never dare thinking of working together save for the most dire situations.

You are misunderstanding what "Chaos Glory" (or, as Gav stated, "Chaos in all its Glory") and "Chaos Undivided" stand for.

There are those who worship individual gods, and those who worship the pantheon as a whole (such as the Word Bearers) and it's all encompassing paradigm of Chaos in its entirety, and those who turn to each of the 4 great powers (and many other smaller but incredibly powerful entities) in turn for their gifts as required.

The forces of Chaos are often anti-thetical, yet at the same time this is the very realm of impossiblity and unreality, when the unpossible manifests itself and the most bizarre and terrible things dreamt of in the minds of corporeal creatures are made real. When a great influx of this power goes forth into the material realm and mortals rally beneath its banner, anti-thetical means little.

I too am sick of seeing the 4 gods get along when really they should be rivals. Will Chaos Legions change this? Maybe. But the Demon and CSM codex both allow you to mix marks and even stick Kharn in with a unit of plague marines, so I'm not holding my breath.

Really I'd just be happy if the Chaos Legions book is (a) real and (b) powerful. I've heard it might even include traitor guard and mutants which would make me really happy. And hopefully they let legions summon real demons instead of crappy generic ones. World Eaters deserve bloodletters and bloodthirsters, not the dollar store off brands.

Noisy_Marine wrote:I too am sick of seeing the 4 gods get along when really they should be rivals. Will Chaos Legions change this? Maybe. But the Demon and CSM codex both allow you to mix marks and even stick Kharn in with a unit of plague marines, so I'm not holding my breath.

The gods themselves may not get along, but you're discounting the worshippers themselves, who may choose to idolise them as the 'Pantheon' of Chaos, or 4 facets of the same god. It's like how there's different denominations of the Imperial Cult spread throughout the galaxy. No doubt, Chaos cults have their own set of belief and interpretations.

I hope they don’t get rid of Chaos Undivided however the existence of Chaos Glory/Undivided does not necessarily mean the OP’s request cannot be fulfilled. FOC shuffling and upgrade restrictions could easily be used to achieve this.

This is stupid.

1. The Chaos Gods hate each other, but they are not above (fragile, backstabbing) coalitions and alliances for mutual benefits.

2. Animosity rules used to exist for the precise purpose to show off the fragile, backstabbing nature of chaos forces on the table. But you need to field, say Slaanesh AND Khorne, to get the "fluffly" animosity to the table. If you don't, you fail to bring the fluff to the table.

3. If you prefer "mono-God", just don't take Chaos Glory or mixed lists. There is no need to ban a popular option from the book just because you don't like it.

4. 40K is suffering immensly from mono-spam lists of all kinds as it is. I hope any new Chaos Dex will give even more emphasis to making mutli-God-synergy-lists work and disencourage bland, uniform mono-God spam.

Ronin wrote:

Noisy_Marine wrote:I too am sick of seeing the 4 gods get along when really they should be rivals. Will Chaos Legions change this? Maybe. But the Demon and CSM codex both allow you to mix marks and even stick Kharn in with a unit of plague marines, so I'm not holding my breath.

The gods themselves may not get along, but you're discounting the worshippers themselves, who may choose to idolise them as the 'Pantheon' of Chaos, or 4 facets of the same god. It's like how there's different denominations of the Imperial Cult spread throughout the galaxy. No doubt, Chaos cults have their own set of belief and interpretations.

I'm not against mixed lists, but I think they ought to be led by an Undivided lord to keep the various worshipers in line. That makes sense to me. So then you could have Slaanesh and Khorne in a list and it would be fluffy.

Regardless, Kharn shouldn't be allowed in a unit of plague marines. That just don't make sense.

Noisy_Marine wrote:

Regardless, Kharn shouldn't be allowed in a unit of plague marines. That just don't make sense.

As much as I *want* to agree here and normally would, I keep coming back to the fact that these are the mortal forces of *Chaos*, if something is making sense about it, it's too late

Particularly strong Chaoslords have always been able to unite the followers of the Big Four so stop the whining.

That would be particularly strong Chaos Lords, like a special character, Black Legion, or Word Bearer Lord, not every single Chaos Lord in existence. Looking at my post from yesterday perhaps I was being rash.

They shouldn't remove Chaos Glory. However, I think that they should not let one Character join a squad of a different Chaos God. They should also restrict it, like they did in 3.5 unless you are Word Bearers or Black Legion.