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Hello all,
So, I've been looking to add to my SM army, and trying to figure out how to tie it all together and give it some theme to it. I think this list will give me a few decent options at lower points levels. I will start with the list, and explain why I've chosen this and such at the end. Keep in mind that I am more a painter and modeler than a gamer, and am not competitive when I do play, as I have yet to fully learn the game... I would like to eventually have a slim chance once I am a decent player though... I have picked these models basically because that's what I'd like to paint/model for my DIY chapter, but I also think they will be decent in-game...
So, Here's the list:

Pedro Kanto
Darnath Lysander
(both to be renamed)

3xTactical Squads, ML/flamer ,one will swap in a MM, 2 sgt. models have CS/BP, one has a PW/BP, in Rhinos with Dozer Blades

7x Tactical Termies in LRC with MM
10man Sternguard, 2xML/HB/MM(might get extra models to swap out, or just go ML) 2xCombi-Melta, Sgt. w/PF, in Razorback with extra SB and dozer blade
6 man Sternguard , 2 2x Combi-Melta, in similar Razorback

2x Landspeeder with HB/MM

2x Predator AC/Las

So, I'm doing a chapter, similar colors to the Crimson Fists, not quite as dark, and replace all the red with Sky Blue, like the SM Sgt. pictured in Codex:SM on pg 112, top center... I will be adding Crimson Fist iconography to the tanks, and shoulder pads on the Sternguard(from Tac Squad boxes)... And doing a little modeling on the HQ's to rename them... all the trim/accents/icons will all be the sky blue color... I'm hoping that gives it all a theme, I'm still working on the backstory/fluff part... More on that in the modeling forum...

I chose Pedro and Lysander because I like their rules, and they have the fist logos....

Lysander will go with the Termies, and make them better at shooting, and also give the unit more punch when/if they get stuck in...

Pedro will go with a combat Squad of SG, the other 5 will have 2xML and be a firebase in the backfield, along with the 2 predators...
The other 2 SG squads will go forth and do their thing.. and with Pedro all will be scoring...

Tac . Squads do what they do.... (one will be a couple LotD models, and some marines, in a LotD rhino, but just fielded as a tac squad...part of the DIY fluff thing)

Speeders will go after things that need early attention, or stay back and assist the firebase untill late game objective grabs and such...

as stated the tanks will basically be in the backfield, trying to blow things up....

So, let me know what you all think of the list, and if a good player would have half a chance with this type of list...
also, any smaller 1500 or 2000 lists based off those models would be helpfull... I have a couple lists at lower levels based on these models, but would like any input you can give...
Thanks to all who read this far...

Isaiah


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no love for the Fists???

Looks fairly solid, and is a very sensible way of going about collecting, so that your models will always give you an okay army at whatever points level.

Now onto the list itself:

Tactical terminators in a land raider is odd to say the least, they want to be outside shooting really, so I would recommend assault terminators for that kind of use. With Lysander they make one of the scariest units in the games, and you can always split him off at some point, and join him to the sternguard for a turn or so to use his bolter drill.

Drop the power weapon on the tactical sergeant, it is not worth it. I am also not convinced about the dozer blades, I would get rid of all of those.

The sternguard are okay, but because you have Pedro, they should be used more aggressively, so run them in rhinos with several combi-weapons per squad. (i.e. at least 2 cobi-weapons per 5 sternguard).

Land speeders and predators are okay, and provide you with some useful anti-tank.

Show us your thoughts on lists at the lower levels and we will try and advise on those too.

Hope this is useful.

Thank you so much,
It's good to know that the models I want to build/paint will be womewhat effective in-game... I have made this list through lots of research online... I am in a very rural area and ther isn't really a FLGS anywhere near me.. I have less than a dozen total games under my belt...
For smaller lists I've been working on this:

at 1000 pts, 145pts for a Capt. or Chappy
2x tac squads, ML flamer, bp cs sgt.
1 razorback
5x termies
LRC with MM
(this is actually made basically from the models I have right now) I have 2 AOBR sets, a LRC, and a Razorback

@1500 pts.
Lysnader
2x Tac. Squads
2x Razorbacks
5xTermies in LRC ( I have the shooty termies so I'd probably move up 12" and deploy into a decent shooting position... I'm hoping the bolter drill makes them a little more effective there, and that Lysander will give them more punch in CC if/when they get assaulted or go on the assault)
2xSpeeders HB/MM
2XPredators AC/LAS
For this step I will have to get the 2 Speeders, 2 Preds, and another RB kit...

@2000 I have:

PEDRO
LYSANDER
2x Tac. Squads in RB
1x 10 man SG with RB (5 will be a firebase and include 2xML)
Termiesx5 in LRC
2xSpeeders
2xPreds...
This step adds Pedro and another RB, and the first SG squad...

Thanks again for any help...

For the above Suggestion on the PW on the third Tac. Sgt...... That squad will be a Legion of the Damned tac squad in a LotD rhino... I will use a couple LotD blisters and some Tac. Marines... the Sgt. is a LotD model with PW and BP... so I think I'll go with that... unless a Relic blade would be better...? The squad will be used as a TROOP using the regular TAC SQD. rules... Thanks again...

I am sure a good player would go far with this list. However that says more about a lot of competition than the list.

I like it though I would go for rhinos for the sternguard, they'll keep up with your other rhinos which is good for them to be in range and to shoot from said rhino. If you have ten sternguard in a razorback give them two ranged weapons like ML or lascannons.
If you went for 2 heavy flamers with the 6 sternguard in a rhino then give the tac. squads meltas. Meltas are more useful, though some flamers will be needed, combimeltas in tac. squads turn out to be great as well.

The lists at the various point levels seem fairly decent, and fit together nicely.

For the 1000pts list a librarian is a better bet than either of the other options, he is a bit more versatile and gives more to the army.

I would also still prefer rhinos to basic razorbacks, as I feel they are more useful due to the extra capacity. (razorbacks want heavy weapons on them for full effectiveness). Remember with the razorback kit you get 2 sets of hatch doors (or at least used to) so you can use it as a rhino or razorback.

Re the usage of the terminators, dropping them off in a good firing position sounds good, and much better than driving them around all game. And you get use out of the bolter drill too.

Power weapons on tacticals are still not great really, power fist is better, though I prefer nothing. If you think it looks cool then go with it, 1 power weapon is not going to affect the playability of your army at all. Legion of the Damned do look very cool. (even if they are not very good gamewise-far too expensive).

Thanks for all the input,
I'm basically building this as a fluffy DIY chapter list...
The Legion of the Damned will be the Sgt. model that you can order by himself, as I don't like all the models in the squad, also the std. LotD sgt. isn't legal using Tac. Squad Rules....
I will be using 3 actual LotD models, and the rest regular marines from a Tac. Box.... they will ride in a rhino and use the regular rules for a Tac. Sqd.... and count as a reg. tac. squad...... hope most fellows in friendly games will be oK with this... (the fluff is that my chapter is seen with LotD models fighting at their side often, if almost consistently...ever since they were formed they have been cut off from the Emperium and struggling to suvive... )
Looks like I just need to get in alot more games and become that DECENT player that will stand a relatively meager chance with this list... LOL
So far, 99% of my games have been with the other half and her orks, or solo games playing SM and her ORKS...
I've played Necrons, Tau, Eldar, and GK as well... but rearely do I get a game in lately

Thanks though...

I have a fiction piece I've been working up, I'd like to know where to post my chapter fluff to get some feedback... anyone?