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1. In Dawn of War deployment, can I start my Overlord in his transport and does it count as a troop unit or what?

2. Can monoliths arriving from reserve use their portal to disembark a necron unit also arriving from reserve simultaneously?

3. The entry for the monolith portal says NECRON UNIT....what is a NECRON unit? Unlike the old codex where it specifid specific units as 'necron' units...do we go by name alone? "NECRON Warriors, NECRON immortals, NECRON destroyers, etc etc?" Or does this allow us to port ANY non-vehicle unit in the codex through? Including...C'tans...

4. When performing RE-ANIMATION rolls it seems possible according to the rules to GAIN inches of movement by placing the "new" (reanimated) models in coherency in front of the unit. This also works in reverse in order to avoid unwanted assaults by cutting off the front line during the shooting phase and then reanimating them behind your last (just out of assault reach) guy. Is this legal?

5. Abyssal Staff....WTF??? You wound agains the targets LEADERSHIP??? How the hell is that supposedto work...they didn't even bother to grace us with an example...."Oh yeah my template is strength 8 and im attacking your leadership with it"....

That makes no sense to me and furthermore being a flamer template and all...i assume we would get quite a number of models under it, so how would it work agaisnt mixed leadership values in a unit? There's a lot of those out there.

Akaiyou wrote:1. In Dawn of War deployment, can I start my Overlord in his transport and does it count as a troop unit or what?

Read the Dawn of War rules again in the rulebook, including the example they give and you will have your answer (hint: dedicated transports a still a separate unit from the unit embarked on them).

2. Can monoliths arriving from reserve use their portal to disembark a necron unit also arriving from reserve simultaneously?

The Portal teleports units at the start of the turn, and if at the start of the turn the Monolith is in Reserve, how could it possible teleport a unit?

3. The entry for the monolith portal says NECRON UNIT....what is a NECRON unit? Unlike the old codex where it specifid specific units as 'necron' units...do we go by name alone? "NECRON Warriors, NECRON immortals, NECRON destroyers, etc etc?" Or does this allow us to port ANY non-vehicle unit in the codex through? Including...C'tans...

Any unit in the Necron codex is a Necron unit. Yes, C'Tans can teleport through a Monolith portal.

4. When performing RE-ANIMATION rolls it seems possible according to the rules to GAIN inches of movement by placing the "new" (reanimated) models in coherency in front of the unit. This also works in reverse in order to avoid unwanted assaults by cutting off the front line during the shooting phase and then reanimating them behind your last (just out of assault reach) guy. Is this legal?

Yep, this is completely fine in either situation.




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Akaiyou wrote:
5. Abyssal Staff....WTF??? You wound agains the targets LEADERSHIP??? How the hell is that supposedto work...they didn't even bother to grace us with an example...."Oh yeah my template is strength 8 and im attacking your leadership with it"....

That makes no sense to me and furthermore being a flamer template and all...i assume we would get quite a number of models under it, so how would it work agaisnt mixed leadership values in a unit? There's a lot of those out there.

Its the exact same weapon that the Callidus Assassin has in the Grey Knight codex and that's pretty much exactly the same as it was before in the old Daemonhunters and Witch Hunters books. This is not something crazy and new.

GW's rulebook FAQ says that whenever you need a unit characteristic value, you use the majority or the highest value in the unit if there is no majority.

The thing is...reserves are rolled at the start of the turn...the monolith portal's effect is applied at the start of the movement phase.

I would argue that you come from reserve FIRST the same as other stuff that happen at the start of the turn (before anything else) like infiltrating and scout moves (at start of turn 1)

Coming from reserves takes priority over the monolith's portal ability and in the monolith entry it states that it can port through units ON the field OR in reserves.

So woudln't it just be a matter of what comes first the chicken or the egg?

In that case...isn't this the same as dropping a monolith in via deep strike and entering your unit onto the table and then porting it to the monolith all in the same turn?

What's not legal about that? They both arrive at the start of the movement phase....and while still in the 'start of the movement phase' The monolith uses the portal.

There's no precedent that I know of, that says that if you have several items/abilities that activate at the start of the movement phase (or any other phase) that using one of them 'first' negates the others.

The way I'm looking at it, if the monolith is on the field, and it's still the start of the movement phase (a.k.a no moves have been made) then it doesnt at all contradict the ruling. If im wrong please correct me

Also is the monolith allowed to shoot on the same turn it deep strikes? It was able to do so before, and it seems to still be able to do so. While deep striking counts vehicles as moving cruising speed...the monolith's own rule over-rides the normal vehicle rules stating that it can never move faster than combat speed. Thus it would deep strike and count as having been stationary right?

Akaiyou wrote:The thing is...reserves are rolled at the start of the turn...the monolith portal's effect is applied at the start of the movement phase.

I would argue that you come from reserve FIRST the same as other stuff that happen at the start of the turn (before anything else) like infiltrating and scout moves (at start of turn 1)

Coming from reserves takes priority over the monolith's portal ability and in the monolith entry it states that it can port through units ON the field OR in reserves.

So woudln't it just be a matter of what comes first the chicken or the egg?

In that case...isn't this the same as dropping a monolith in via deep strike and entering your unit onto the table and then porting it to the monolith all in the same turn?

What's not legal about that? They both arrive at the start of the movement phase....and while still in the 'start of the movement phase' The monolith uses the portal.

There's no precedent that I know of, that says that if you have several items/abilities that activate at the start of the movement phase (or any other phase) that using one of them 'first' negates the others.

The way I'm looking at it, if the monolith is on the field, and it's still the start of the movement phase (a.k.a no moves have been made) then it doesnt at all contradict the ruling. If im wrong please correct me

If you look at the turn sequence, the start of the turn is the start of the movement phase. There is no phase before the movement phase.

And yes, there is precisely that precedent. They have ruled that models arriving from Reserves cannot use abilities that occur at the start of the turn. There is a question in the Eldar FAQ about that exact issue.

Fair enough...

So to make things clear a Deep Striking monolith may not use it's portal to bring in units already on the table either. And the precedent is a Eldar FAQ ruling?

I'll take you at your word on that.

Also is the monolith allowed to shoot on the same turn it deep strikes? It was able to do so before, and it seems to still be able to do so. While deep striking counts vehicles as moving cruising speed...the monolith's own rule over-rides the normal vehicle rules stating that it can never move faster than combat speed. Thus it would deep strike and count as having been stationary right?

To not even be able to fire on deep strike makes the monolith quite the flying turkey with no abilities/attacks to use. Very unlike it's previous incarnation. That was able to fire and port units through on arrival.

Akaiyou wrote:Fair enough...

So to make things clear a Deep Striking monolith may not use it's portal to bring in units already on the table either. And the precedent is a Eldar FAQ ruling?

I'll take you at your word on that.

Also is the monolith allowed to shoot on the same turn it deep strikes? It was able to do so before, and it seems to still be able to do so. While deep striking counts vehicles as moving cruising speed...the monolith's own rule over-rides the normal vehicle rules stating that it can never move faster than combat speed. Thus it would deep strike and count as having been stationary right?

To not even be able to fire on deep strike makes the monolith quite the flying turkey with no abilities/attacks to use. Very unlike it's previous incarnation. That was able to fire and port units through on arrival.

Yes, it can fire to full effect when Deep Striking because its 'heavy' rule means it always counts as stationary for firing.




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And actually I can do better than the Eldar FAQ ruling. This is from the rulebook FAQ:

Q: If a unit is in reserve, and it has an ability that
occurs at the start of a turn can they use that ability on
the turn they arrive? (p94)
A: No. Unless specifically stated otherwise.

The reason behind that is that you roll for reserves in the beginning of the turn, but reserves don't move on until you're actually moving... which, by the time you're there you aren't at the beginning of the turn anymore.

Actually its because the start of the turn is an instance, and one unit cannot perform "arriving from reserves" at the same time as "X" because they are not on the board at the instant you perform X

You then cannot perform X *after* mvoing onto the board because you are no longer at the start of the turn / movement phase any longer, you are "during" the movement phase.

Alright the rulebook FAQ trumphs all I concede.

But correct me if im wrong...wasn't the monolith previously able to port in and teleport warriors through it's portal?

As I recall it was written that they MUST arrive through the portal when availalbe from reserves. So that would be the case if the monolith is deep striking along with the unit itself by its 3rd ed codex rules.