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Made in gb
Regular Dakkanaut




In a game last night a situation arose during a multiple combat.
My two salamanders and two razordons charged a unit of chaos warriors in the rear.
My opponents chaos lord mounted on a juggernaut and in combat with my big saurus block decided to hit the salamanders at the rear. He killed both destroying the unit. He then said his juggernaut was going to attack the saurus. This is where it got silly to the point where i just conceded the game. My understanding is that you have to declare at the start who is hitting what and if you destroy the unit then your remaining attacks are lost. He claimed he could choose on initiative order and therefore the juggernaut could attack what he wanted.
I don't even think that he gets a choice to hit separate units as the juggernaut is just a mount.
What do you guys think?
   
Made in au
Deadly Dire Avenger





NSW Australia

Because they have to be in base to base contact for the attacks to hit unless the juggernaut is able to be in contact with both the front and the rear contracts. (Unsure as you didnt say how big the unit was). If not then the attacks cant be split as you can move the position in combat once it has started.
   
Made in gb
Decrepit Dakkanaut




1) I assume the unit was "thin" enough that the jugger (50x50 base?) was in contact at front and back. If not then the jugger lord CANNOT attack the rear ranks, as he is not in contact with it

2) IF the jugger lord can attack, then you only declare where attacks are going at each init step. Now the jugger is init 2, from memory, so he can indeed declare where the jugger is hitting. Cavalry, like any model with its own stat line of attacks, can choose where to hit if they are in base contact with models with different statines.

To be honest it sounds like you were maybe not in the best mood for the game, as it sounds like what the player did (assuming the jugger lord was in the rear rank as well, so 2 ranks of warriors total) was legal.
   
Made in us
Longtime Dakkanaut





Yah even regular cavalry can split attacks with anything they are touching. Monstrous Cavalry can as well.

When it's turn to attack comes (Initiative) is when it can decide. If his model wasn't in base-to-base contact with them both, however, he couldn't.

   
Made in gb
Regular Dakkanaut




I can understand where you are all coming from and it makes sense.
However it says in the book that although you can do this you should let your opponent know prior to rolling any dice.
See my pov is that if you dont declare then you are getting 2 bites at the cherry, if the lord failed to kill them then he would have already committed the attacks from the Juggernaut elsewhere.
I also need to point out that technically he couldnt reach me.

Let me explain this..

I charged in the rear but the warriors had lost about 2 or 3 ranks so i moved the Sallys and Razors up to be in base, i could have just put them at the base of the movement tray but i dont play like that.

I realize he was technically correct in what he did however i was always under the impression the mount attacked what the rider did unless you stated before rolling which is what the book suggests you do. It does nto state that you must though.
   
Made in gb
Decrepit Dakkanaut




No it doesnt say that. Not at all.

WHen you make your attacks (as a chaos lord) you have to say at THAT POINT whether you will be splittng atatcks.

The juggernaught does NOT have to state until ITS init where it is attacking.

No, you have to place them in btb. The movement tray is irrelevevant. There is no "technically" here, you MUST be in base contact otherwise you havent completed a charge.
   
Made in us
Longtime Dakkanaut





Yah the movement tray is merely a convenience for you. You won't see any examples in the BRB use it, you'll see them move individual infantry around.

It does say you need to say you're attacking before you roll. But that comes at initiative order of each unit. It says that in the BRB.

   
Made in gb
Regular Dakkanaut




nosferatu1001 wrote:No it doesnt say that. Not at all.


Page 48, Last paragraph of Dividing Attacks section.
   
Made in us
Longtime Dakkanaut





Yeah, that's for one consistent unit. Page 82 Split Profile is what you want to read.

   
Made in gb
Decrepit Dakkanaut




As above. Cavalry unit /= single guy making attacks.
   
 
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