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Hey guys. I havent played 40k for years. Getting ready to jump into some league play. I have most of my old army but sold some stuff before I stopped playing. If anyone could take a look at what i have and possibly shine some light on what i need to get to have a well rounded 1500-2500 Pt army I would really appreciate it.

Hq-
daemon prince
Termie sorcerer
Kharn (i have bad luck with him)

Troops-
10x CSM with 1 champ, 1 heavy bolter
15x berzerkers (16 if I use Kharn as berzerker)

Heavy-
Predator with lascannons all around

And a rhino...

What should I be shopping for to have an army prepared for anything?

And yes i know 1500-2500 is a big span but its an escalating league..higher tier im at = higher pt games.

well lets just say i know how you feel its been almost a year since ive played a game, difference is im still obsessed with it just stuck on deployment so im gonna help ya
it looks like your going witha real in your face chopy chopy list. while i approve it wont do so well vs GK buuuut here goes

1500 list
kharn 165 (your luck will change as you spill more blood for the blood god)
8 Zerkers
Fister guy
rhino w/combi melta
253

8 Zerkers
Fister guy
rhino w/combi melta
253

10 CSM
2 meltas
IoCG
rhino
215

5 PM
2 melta
rhino
170

5 PM
2 melta
rhino
170

2 oblits 150

Pred w/ autocannon top and side las 120 (im sure they will let you proxy, if not greenstuff away!)
1496!
still kept your khorne center but added a melta CSM squad and two small nurgles. both can be used for an in your face, or if need be can stay back and guard (which we all know zerkers cant do!)

2000
kharn 165

Lord
termi armor
MoK
Lightning claws
140

3 termis
3 combi meltas
land raider DP(for bezerkers)
355

8 Zerkers
Fister guy
208

8 Zerkers
Fister guy
rhino w/combi melta
253

10 CSM
2 meltas
IoCG
rhino combi melta
225

5 PM
2 melta
rhino
180 combi flamer

5 PM
2 Plasma
rhino combi melta
190

2 oblits 150

Pred w/ autocannon top and side las 120
theres 14 points left over, im not sure if i got the points right for the lord. if i did then id say add in two icons on your zerkers for oblits or somehting haha

2500 now it gets killy
Abaddon 275
Kharn 165

termis
3 combi melts
land raider with DP
355

8 zerkers
Fister Guy
208

8 zerkers
Fister Guy
208

10 CSM
2 meltas
IoCG
rhino combi melta
225

5 PM
2 melta
rhino
180 combi flamer

5 PM
2 Plasma
rhino combi melta
190

Land raider DP
240

3 oblits
225

3 oblits
225

if the 2500 doesnt have enough scoring units for your liking (only troops are scoring idk when you stopped playing) you can drop two oblits and fit in a nurgle squad if you take off some combi weapons. but i think it should be fine. wont win any GT's but will eat a lot of face!

Hey i do have chaos believe me what drags us down is 4th ed.
Still i believe that steve shield you have focused too much on the blood god and thats never good believe me ive been there got 20 berserkers on me.

Heres my list.

Hq
Daemon Prince
w/MOS
w/Wings
w/Warptime =165pts

Elites

5 chosen
w/4 meltas
w/champion
w/power weapon =140pts

Troops
10 Chaos marines
w/Champion
w/Power fist
w/plasma pistol
w/IOCh
w/Flamer
w/Plasma gun =240 pts

10 khorne berserkers
w/champion
w/plasma pistol =240pts

5 khorne berserkers
w/champion
w/plasma pistol =135pts

Rhino
w/combi melta
w/dozer blades
w/extra armour =65pts

Rhino
w/combi melta
w/dozer blades
w/extra armour =65pts

Heavy support

Predator
w/autocannon
w/lascannon sponsons at sides =120pts

3 Obliterators =225pts

Yeah thats not the way i run my guys, i was just going off of what he had, idk if he wants to stick with the khorne, i prefer more nurgles myself. but in your list i would make the squads 8 and 7 zerkers, 10 is too many and 5 is too few imho

Well Utter, if you can hold off for a few more months, there is 6th Ed coming out and a shinny new Chaos Codex with it. Get the new set and then upgrade your stuff then.

If you can't wait, I am sure a couple more Rhinos and Zerkers will not hurt.

What really we get skipped that sucks anyway maybe i should do the 7 and 8 zerker squad

zerks suck (ork in power armour thats what I say...)

I would personally say that have 2 CSM squads(with lascannon and plasma guns and Icon of tzeench) and a plague marine squad (10 men for all) all in rhinos (with deamonic possesion).

and I would highly recomend Abbaddon.

Plague Marines in units of 5 with double specials ftw. Plague Marines, Chosen and long range fire power is all you need.

Out of interest mercer, how do you/would you run Chosen?
The squad I was running wasn't very effective in all but one game.

'zerks suck'
What? I personally rate Bezerkers above Plague Marines, although i'm sure nearly every Chaos player will disagree with me. They most definatly don't suck, they are great in combat one of the best combat units in the game. If you send them into things like Genestealers, or other high initiative units then they won't fare so well, you need to pick your battles and use them tactically, if your using them like Ork Boyz, then they aren't going to be effective.

Also recommending a squad of 10 Plague Marines? Overkill, like mercer said a squad of 5 with 2 special weapons (the same special weapon).
Abaddon is nice, a bit hit and miss though. I've used him in pretty much every game i've played since re-starting Chaos a few months ago. Example of his hit and missness: One game, against Marines. Land Raider gets immobilised turn one (I went first, so moved forward) second turn I get Abaddon and Zerkers out, planning on lashing his unit of 10 Sternguard and Librarian towards me, but lash gets nullified (was worried that would happen) Sternguard then kill Zerkers with AP3, Abaddon also takes a wound. He then dies to 2 Dreads and 2 5 man tacticals shooting him (I still almost won that game, in fact if I had pointed out my opponent did an illegal move I would have won).

Another game, against Nids, Abaddons personal kill tally (not including Zerkers or Land Raider): 2 Tervigons, 3 Hive Guard, 17 Genestealers (inc Broodlord) and I think some Gants). Ridiculous really.

You probably need to get some Obliterators, I don't personally like using them but they are the best heavy choice, you want 2x3 or 3x2 ideally. Plagues & Zerkers are best troop choices. Daemon Prince x2, Lash works or Warptime. 3 Combi-melta Termies deep striking is a nice tactic as well, not the most reliable tank killing method but i've had some success doing that.

When I played CSM I ran my Chosen with double specials, so meltas, plasmas or flamers. It depended on how much other stuff I had in my army. I think I had one flamer, one plasma and one melta Chosen squad. They were all in units of 5 with a Rhino btw.

Still love CSM and would love to start another CSM army, but I don't see the point. I just hope for the CSM 'dex next year and then I will be made up

mercer wrote:Plague Marines in units of 5 with double specials ftw. Plague Marines, Chosen and long range fire power is all you need.

Chosen are hit and miss imo

For elites I prefer termies as they can be kitted out TAC while chose are usually supported to one role, plus with an icon on the field, you can safely get termies where you want them to go without having to transport them and draw fire.

Chosen are hit and miss just as the next Marine unit. They work just like Command Squads/Honour Guard units.

rodgers37 wrote:Out of interest mercer, how do you/would you run Chosen?
The squad I was running wasn't very effective in all but one game.

'zerks suck'
What? I personally rate Bezerkers above Plague Marines, although i'm sure nearly every Chaos player will disagree with me. They most definatly don't suck, they are great in combat one of the best combat units in the game. If you send them into things like Genestealers, or other high initiative units then they won't fare so well, you need to pick your battles and use them tactically, if your using them like Ork Boyz, then they aren't going to be effective.

Also recommending a squad of 10 Plague Marines? Overkill, like mercer said a squad of 5 with 2 special weapons (the same special weapon).
Abaddon is nice, a bit hit and miss though. I've used him in pretty much every game i've played since re-starting Chaos a few months ago. Example of his hit and missness: One game, against Marines. Land Raider gets immobilised turn one (I went first, so moved forward) second turn I get Abaddon and Zerkers out, planning on lashing his unit of 10 Sternguard and Librarian towards me, but lash gets nullified (was worried that would happen) Sternguard then kill Zerkers with AP3, Abaddon also takes a wound. He then dies to 2 Dreads and 2 5 man tacticals shooting him (I still almost won that game, in fact if I had pointed out my opponent did an illegal move I would have won).

Another game, against Nids, Abaddons personal kill tally (not including Zerkers or Land Raider): 2 Tervigons, 3 Hive Guard, 17 Genestealers (inc Broodlord) and I think some Gants). Ridiculous really.

You probably need to get some Obliterators, I don't personally like using them but they are the best heavy choice, you want 2x3 or 3x2 ideally. Plagues & Zerkers are best troop choices. Daemon Prince x2, Lash works or Warptime. 3 Combi-melta Termies deep striking is a nice tactic as well, not the most reliable tank killing method but i've had some success doing that.

How can he kill THAT many genestealers (Genestealers are his weakness).

Also chosen all with meltaguns are super, super fun...

Zerks are orks in power armour. Plague marine are better as you can get a T5 fell no pain troop which does not give you your bounus attack in a charge....Oh and did I forget you get meltaguns for 'em as well...

Plague Marines are win. I've never been a huge fan of Berzerkers tbh.

Rodgers37 and mercer i kit my chosen out with 2 plasma and 2melta for both heavy infantry and vehicle.
Also ive played abbadon against the nids most times i worry because i usually roll a 1 meaning bonk to the head however i did similar to you rogers abbadon killed 2 trygon primes 3 raveners 4 squads of warriors 3 in each and alpha . So i agree hit and miss put him with termies then he wont die so quick

darkhorse19 wrote:Rodgers37 and mercer i kit my chosen out with 2 plasma and 2melta for both heavy infantry and vehicle.

While the 2 and 2 combo is more TAC, in my experience it isn't really effective. I prefer either all melta or all plas. Usually I choose melta since the rhino is outflanking therefore allwoing me to get melta hits on side armour. And I usually leave the plas to my Plauges since with FNP I dont have too worry too much about Get Hot.

+1 to Typhus. Also if you want cheap plasma pop combi plasma on the Rhinos, no worries off over heating then

I actually rather have a combi-Melta on my Rhino to give it a AT punch, specially if the troops inside do not have one. For camper troops, I like Havoc launchers.

That is one of the good things about the CSM Codex... your Rhinos have some nice weapon add-ons.