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This may be old news, but here are some questions that arose in games recently and i haven't been able to figure out the answer.

Can an archon assault on the turn he drops a WWP?

also, when an independent is not B2B with a model in close combat, may my opponent allocate wounds to him? ie. to get the inv. save

Not sure about the WWP, but for IC's if they are not in b2b contact, they cannot attack or be attacked in close combat.

Lol ya i was his opponent and i forget to put this up after the game .

So what your saying is that if i get assaulted but my IC doesn't get into B2B with anyone, I then take more wounds than i have models in the squad i can't put any of them on my IC? I thought wounds in melee combat were like shooting wounds where you can spread them as you like unless the IC gets focused on. If i'm wrong it's good news for my sang priests who i can now avoid taking wounds on unless targeted

I believe another question from that game was do buildings that you have troops in gain a cover save if the unit shooting at it is shooting through terrain?

During Assault, IC's fight as a separate unit. For more information on multiple units in assault, check out pg 41.

Built-in wrote:Can an archon assault on the turn he drops a WWP?

Yes.

also, when an independent is not B2B with a model in close combat, may my opponent allocate wounds to him? ie. to get the inv. save

No. Also you do not allocate 'hits', you allocate wounds within the unit that suffered them.

Rythem wrote:
So what your saying is that if i get assaulted but my IC doesn't get into B2B with anyone, I then take more wounds than i have models in the squad i can't put any of them on my IC? I thought wounds in melee combat were like shooting wounds where you can spread them as you like unless the IC gets focused on.

When attacks are resolved, an IC is treated as a separate unit in CC. So in order to wound the IC, he must specifically attack the IC (any excess wounds may not be put on the squad and do not count toward combat res IE they are wasted) and if he attacks the unit any excess wounds may not be put on the IC and do not count towards combat res (IE once again they are wasted)

If i'm wrong it's good news for my sang priests who i can now avoid taking wounds on unless targeted

I believe another question from that game was do buildings that you have troops in gain a cover save if the unit shooting at it is shooting through terrain?

What do you mean by "terrain" (there are different types)? Also what do you mean by "building"?

If they are in a ruins, then they automatically get a 4+ because ruins are considered area terrain. If it's an actually building, then you can't even target the models. You have to destroy the building first.

Rules for buildings are on pages 78-80 and rules for ruins are pages 82-85.

Rythem wrote:
No i had a unit inside a tower bunker and was shooting out of it, one of his vehicles wanted to shoot at it through some trees, we weren't sure if the building got a cover save considering how big it was (MC big lol).

Buildings use TLOS in the same way as vehicles or MCs. You'd have to check to see if LOS to at least 50% of the building was covered......so probably not.

I am wondering how that is determined? Isthere a pg. Number telling me buildings get cover? It not like they are manueverable, and cant make use of the trees it may be behind.

Page 79 left column under "Attacking Buildings"

...Units may shoot or assault an occupied building just as if it was a vehicle....

If 50% or more of a vehicle is blocked from LOS, then the vehicle counts as obscured. Since shooting at buildings is treated as if shooting at a vehicle, the same applies.

Point well taken, thanks!

Nungunz - *incorrect* on ICs havng to get into combat

WHEN assaulting a unit, an IC is under no more compulsion than any other member of ht eunit to get into B2B contact. Absolutely none.

So, if hwen you CHOOSE to move the IC he can reach btb, he MUST do so - however if you are clever in the order you move models before you move the IC, you can indeed block him from reaching b2b if you so wish. Will only work for 1 turn of combat, however - if you remain locked you are compelled on Pile In to move the IC first to get into btb by any means possible.

nosferatu1001 wrote:Nungunz - *incorrect* on ICs havng to get into combat

WHEN assaulting a unit, an IC is under no more compulsion than any other member of ht eunit to get into B2B contact. Absolutely none.

So, if hwen you CHOOSE to move the IC he can reach btb, he MUST do so - however if you are clever in the order you move models before you move the IC, you can indeed block him from reaching b2b if you so wish. Will only work for 1 turn of combat, however - if you remain locked you are compelled on Pile In to move the IC first to get into btb by any means possible.

Which is exactly what I said.

The IC must attempt to get into B2B when they assault (if they can't make it, that's fine) and they must move first if the enemy assaults or pile-in occurs.

So, ICs have to be moved first if:

1. The enemy assaults your unit
2. During Pile-in

But can be moved in any order with other models in the unit if YOU are the one assaulting. Right?

RiTides wrote:So, ICs have to be moved first if:

1. The enemy assaults your unit
2. During Pile-in

Correct.

But can be moved in any order with other models in the unit if YOU are the one assaulting. Right?

Depends on if at the time the assault is made they are the closest model to a model in the unit being assaulted.