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A friend of mine runs carni's with venomthrope walls. My best guess is to run in Typhus. any other throughts?

Not sure if running in Typhus is actually going to work... Especially if the Fexes has AG and charge him, instant death :(
Typhus has a force weapon though doesn't he, so it might work.

Obliterators or even predators will ware them down.

To be honest it kind of depends on your army list, and his. I personally would throw Abaddon and his Zerker squad at a pair of them, Abaddon killing one, with the Zerkers maybe killing the other.

Bezerkers can kill them, but I would only ever charge one at a time, and it can all go horribly wrong. You need to kill it on the charge, while your wounding on 5s with the normal guys, otherwise the Fex (or Tervigon for that matter) will kill half your Zerker squad in the time it takes the PF guy to kill the Fex.

If your shooting it, try and kill the Venomthropes first, there a lot more fragile, and it takes away the cover save and the other bonuses.

If you can, multi-assault one of his gribbly units when you charge the Carnifex (Termas, Hormas, etc.).

Throw all your attacks on the little guys. You'll likely win combat and force the Fex to take lots of No Retreat saves - which is bad for him.

If you have to go alone, take this! Erm, I mean, you should be able to krak missile it to death before it gets to you - Carnis aren't particularly fast... they have MTC by virtue of being a MC, but aren't Fleet and only have 4 wounds. Shoot them to death.

Blitz can snipe venoms then just use ap3 or below on fexs, or charge failbaddon with zerkers.

Typhus can kill fexs with his force weapon but its iffy, if he doesn't kill fex the fex will OMNOMNOM him.

But honestly ur best bet is range weaponery, your best CC choice against a fex is a DP with warptime (if you have extra points, add IoT for a 4++)

Thank you all for the advice.
He usually runs them in two broods of two. So maybe the plan is to have the rest of the army shoot up one brood and assault the other.

Ideas for assaulting fexes:

Typhus w/ lightning claw termis.
Abaddon w/ zerkers.
2 daemon princes w/ warptime.

I'm just going to point out that venomthropes mean the carni's count as being in terrain- you will strike at I1 without grenades.

yea, wail on him with obliterators, they should be able to deal with carnifexes.

a summoned greater daemon would also be a pretty good choice against fexes... cheap, and with 4 wounds at a 4+ invul, should be able to stand a few shots before it goes down. Should take out at least one of the two fexes in a squad, and make up for its points cost.

Jihallah wrote:I'm just going to point out that venomthropes mean the carni's count as being in terrain- you will strike at I1 without grenades.

While that is true, if the V-thrope lives that long your shooting is horrible. And that's only if you charge them (which you should - since they probably have AG which means they'll ID T5 on the charge).

Lash and Plasma chosen FTW?

rigeld2 wrote:

Jihallah wrote:I'm just going to point out that venomthropes mean the carni's count as being in terrain- you will strike at I1 without grenades.

While that is true, if the V-thrope lives that long your shooting is horrible. And that's only if you charge them (which you should - since they probably have AG which means they'll ID T5 on the charge).

Well its a good thing the only true T5 thing we have is a EW DP

Good points on the thropes. How many does he have OP?

Honestly, just snipe the venomthropes, their T4 with a 5+ armor and 5+ cover, 4+ if behind fexes. A single lascannon or missle launcher will kill it in one shot. When it dies, the fexes lose all the bonuses they would get.

Running a CSM Monster Mash list would do pretty darn well. Outfit all your defilers, MCs, and Dreads for pure CC and should do pretty well. Don't forget the greater daemon as well.

AchillesFTW wrote:Running a CSM Monster Mash list would do pretty darn well. Outfit all your defilers, MCs, and Dreads for pure CC and should do pretty well. Don't forget the greater daemon as well.

Defilers and Dreads vs Carnifexes (Carnifexi?)... I don't see that going well but it would be interesting to see

Like was said before, the best option is kill the Venomthropes, then you can just destroy the Fexes with AP1/2/3 shooting.

Commissar Typhus wrote:

AchillesFTW wrote:Running a CSM Monster Mash list would do pretty darn well. Outfit all your defilers, MCs, and Dreads for pure CC and should do pretty well. Don't forget the greater daemon as well.

Defilers and Dreads vs Carnifexes (Carnifexi?)... I don't see that going well but it would be interesting to see

They might give the carnifex a bruise, but yeah MC vs Dread= not a good fight for a dread

He usually does not run more than 2. Ill give the example of what happened last game. Sniping sounds good on paper, but he is crafty and alocates stg 8 wounds to a Prime HQ that he adds to the squad. The only stg 10 weapon I have is my vindi which managed to kill the venom after 3 turns. Needless to say, he was at my door step and I was screwed.

I lost the game, but managed to wipe out everything on the table but his two groups of fexes.

The reason I think Typhus would work is that he has the ability to easily wound on a 4+ and insta-kill at least 1 fex. If the venomthrope can be killed, I automaticly strike before the fexes even if they get the charge. And with wounds generated by whatever bodyguard I send him with, I hope to wipe out the fexes before they swing back.

The thing about Venom is that they're darn resilient with Primes attached. Also, if you wrap a good bubble of bugs around them, they'll benefit from a 4+ save. The "easiest" way of dealing with these kinds of setups, is to pack enough s8+ shots in each squad, so that the number of wounds exceeds what he can allocate to the primes. The more high-str, ap3 minus you've got, the better.

If you can pack enough stuff to properly take out those Venoms, you're down to worrying about how to deal with the primes once they reach CC. But once the Venoms are gone, his MCs are cleared of their cover saves (unless he runs dual-prime and attaches both to a dual-carni squad). From this point onward, you should be focusing on removing as many wounds on the Carnifexes, as you possibly can, before they reach CC. The last concern here, is if his Prime(s) has LWs equipped. If thats not the case, you're free to clean them up. Also keep in mind that the Primes are ICs. This means that you're able to pick them out from CC.

Furthermore, a Chaos Sorcerer can use Lash of Submission to delay the tyranids CC, giving you more time to properly take out wounds.
- If you've got enough firepower, you should be able to get rid of the Venoms' and take a couple of wounds on the carnies. But eventually, you're bound to reach CC. Once you do, you should be able to clean it all up with Power Weapons and what else you've got in your list.

...Why haven't you used a blissgiver.


Ok if he's using 'fex's in a brood, a squad, he has to allocate the hits around.

Blissgiver is a p.weap so he doesn't get a save. Every wound you do removes a carnifex.

With half decent rolling a lord with a blissgiver should be able to snaffle up those 'fexs in one go.

Jihallah wrote:...Why haven't you used a blissgiver.


Ok if he's using 'fex's in a brood, a squad, he has to allocate the hits around.

Blissgiver is a p.weap so he doesn't get a save. Every wound you do removes a carnifex.

With half decent rolling a lord with a blissgiver should be able to snaffle up those 'fexs in one go.

If it's just a power weapon, it's not going to ID carnifexes. Each one has 4 wounds you have to hack through.

Blissgiver is the Slaanesh Daemon Weapon, which causes Instant Death to anything wounded by it.

Damn, somone got to Blissgiver before I could :p

I just mess around with my friends and last game I spawned his Fex as a laugh. Was very amusing to have a squad of Thousand Sons holding up a Fex whilst the squads sorc and my HQ sorc just spawning random gaunts and a fex. (YEs it was a casual game)

A situational tactic that requires a bit of luck can work. what you need:
Lash Prince (DP with MoS and Lash of Sub)
Carnifex to be somewhat near something weak in comparison i.e. gaunts or rippers.
Somthing that can inflict a crap ton of wounds on the charge, Berzerkers, CC equpied Termies with IoK etc.

1. Have your CC squad ready to charge the Carni.
2. Have your Lash Prince lash the rippers/gaunts/whatever near the carnifex or vise versa
3. Charge so your guys hit both enemy units thus engaging both in CC.
4. You should manage to score several more wounds in the rounds of combat thus winning the CC.
5. Winning will force a leadership test on both enemy units. if you won by a substantial amount of wounds, the weak unit it will almost definatly break and the Carnifex will be subject to No Retreat!
6. This means if you won by say 8 wounds, the Carnifex will have to take 8 armor saves. The more you win by combat by the more armor saves he has to take. forcing more than 10 saves this way and you could potentially take him down without having to fight him iin CC at all. Softening him up with a heavy weapon shot or two before this will help to seal the carnifexs fate


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Successfully Killing him this way means there is a step 7

7. trololololololol

I had thought of blissgiver but thought typhus might do better. But i guess using a daemon weapon gives one extra stg so I guess they are just as easy to one shot w/o having to take a force weapon test. Clever Dakka. This is why I love you.

Carnifexes are slow and tyranids anti-psycher ability is only 12" -- lash could be useful. Granted you can't move his models through his own, so its affect can be mitigated somewhat.

Typhus would still need to make a psychic test to use his force weapon, and that isn't easy with SitW around. Also a FW is situational, as it only affects 1 model that happens to have wounds left after wound allocation/casulaties (inother words Typhus is not a Grey Knight lol).

Abbadon is pretty good at curb stomping carnifexes but he is toast if a dreaded 1 comes up. That is also true of the blissgiver.

But i guess using a daemon weapon gives one extra stg

Common mistake, only unmarked Lords get +1S on their daemon weapon. The others are S4 with the added abilities.