Switiching between weapons?

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**blackemerald**

Just wondering about the rules for shooting then assaulting and which weapons are used for resolving each.

The specific example I'm thinking of is a Space Marine Chapter Master who has the standard bolt pistol and chainsword loadout, but also buys the auxiliary grenade launcher (15 pts).
Can the Chapter Master shoot with the grenade launcher (an assault weapon) in the Shooting Phase, and then use the bolt pistol/chainsword combo to gain the +1 Attack for two close combat weapons in the Assault Phase?

Strikes me as overpowering the unit to allow him to change weapons dependant upon the phase.

**Happyjew**

Assuming the Chapter Master doesn't replace his Bolt Pistol with the grenade launcher (no codex so I don't know), then yes, as he is equipped with 2 CCW.

**BlapBlapBlap**

Yes, he can still claim an extra attack as long as he keeps both pistol and chainsword.

**blackemerald**

No, the bolt pistol isn't replaced, the launcher is carried as an additional weapon.

Awesome, thanks for the input

**nosferatu1001**

Essentialy it doesnt matter what you fire in the shooting phase, as long as you can actually assault you will use whatever CCW you have.

**BlapBlapBlap**

It would matter. Long Range Rapid Fire and Heavy weapons stop you assaulting if fired.

**nosferatu1001**

"as long as you can actually assault " - guess you missed that part.

Also, why did you add "Long range" to rapid fire there? No need - firing rapid fire usually stops you firing. Now of course Relentless undoes your blanket statement....

**GreyChaos**

Still gets the bonus for two CCW since the Auxillary grenade launcher does not replace the bolt pistol.

**BlapBlapBlap**

Fine. My previous post should begin "Unless you have a rule that exempts you..."
You can fire twice at 12" or less with a rapid fire weapon as if it was an assault weapon, but at max range it would be fired like a heavy (Cannot move before or after firing) remembering of course, unless you are relentess or similar.
Sorry about "If it can assault". I was thinking in terms of assault range.

**insaniak**

BlapBlapBlap wrote:You can fire twice at 12" or less with a rapid fire weapon as if it was an assault weapon, ...

Sorry, but... what?

Assault weapons have no inherent rule giving them 2 shots or a 12" range. Rapid Fire weapons fire 2 shots at 12" because they are Rapid Fire weapons. They share no attributes with Assault weapons, which always fire the number of shots on their profile, with the range on their profile.

**Grakmar**

And, adding to what insaniak said, you CANNOT launch an assault if you fired a rapid fire weapon.

Check page 28 of the BGB

**nosferatu1001**

UNless you are Relentless, of course.

**Happyjew**

Insaniak, just want to make a small correction, Rapid Fire fires 2 shots at half range, which is usually 12", but for some (think Tau) would be 18".

**Akroma06**

No it fires two shots at 12." Hot shot lasguns and pulse rifles have the same "rapid fire" range.

**sydewynder**

Happyjew wrote:Insaniak, just want to make a small correction, Rapid Fire fires 2 shots at half range, which is usually 12", but for some (think Tau) would be 18".

A common misconception. Its always 12" which just happens to be half range as most rapid fire weapons are 24" range. Tau still get their 1 shot to 30" or 2 at 12".

**Happyjew**

My bad, was it half range in an earlier edition? Or was my group informed wrong from a misconception?

**Ghaz**

Your group was wrong. It has never Berg half range. It has always been 12" no matter the maximum range of the weapon.

**nosferatu1001**

Not since 4th, possibly 3rd as well(although my memory of that ruleset is decidedly hazy!)

**Ghaz**

You are correct on 3rd edition.

**Happyjew**

My buddy's been playing since 2nd ed (I think) and he was the one who said it was half range. We just went with that. My brothers Tau better watch out now...

**insaniak**

It's been a common misconception since 3rd edition, but yeah, it's been 12" for as long as the current Rapid Fire rules have been in the game.