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Hi,
Can a Necron model with the 'Ever Living' rule still attempt a Reanimation protocols roll at the end of phase, even if his unit was swept by the enemy in CC?
If this is not the case, if the model with 'Ever Living' was killed before the unit was swept, does he get to attempt RP?
I know no special rules can protect models from being swept but the RP rules turn casualties into counters thus the model is effectively removed from play anyway.

Thanks in advance.

Would "the unit" be saved, at least partially, if you made the EL roll?

Yes, therefore you need explicit permission for it to work. Yu dont have it so it doesnt.

The example I'm thinking of is a Cryptek or Lord with warriors.
I can see your point if the unit is swept whilst the character with EL is still standing that they would be wiped out with the unit. However if he is Killed by a wound during the combat, surely he is just a EL counter and thus ceases to be affiliated with the survivors when they are swept?

Sir Harry Flashman, VC wrote:The example I'm thinking of is a Cryptek or Lord with warriors.
I can see your point if the unit is swept whilst the character with EL is still standing that they would be wiped out with the unit. However if he is Killed by a wound during the combat, surely he is just a EL counter and thus ceases to be affiliated with the survivors when they are swept?

I'm pretty sure this is correct. When the unit is swept, you remove the RP counters. But even if the unit is wiped, EL models still get to attempt to stand up within 3" of the EL counter. Although, there's currently a debate on whether the EL counter is removed as well as RP counters when a unit is wiped, though from the WD battle report you can see this is not the case since Imotekh stands up even when his Lychguard unit is destroyed.

That was my impression of EL when I read it, the issue comes from that fact that EL says it acts like RP and RP says to remove all counters.

I just finished a 1500 point Necron vs. Space Wolf game the other night (I'll have the BR up sometime today) and this happened to me. My Overlord, Cryptek, and 6 Warriors lost combat and broke. After reviewing the EL, RP, and Sweeping Advance rules we came to the conclusion that the EL model would be removed from play with no chance of getting back up.

Specifically, the rules for Sweeping Advance do not indicate that the affected unit is removed as a casualty. It says that they are destroyed and removed. Furthermore, the rule states that unless otherwise specified no special rule can prevent this. Nowhere in the EL or RP rule do it allow for the save to be made against Sweeping Advance.

-Yad

That's assuming the model dies in the Advance, which I agree with. The OP asked if the model was already killed in the combat, leaving just an EL counter before the unit is swept.

The rules are ambiguous on this, but judging by how Mat Ward played it in the WD, I think EL is designed to allow a fallen character to repair themselves even if the unit they joined is wiped out. This does mean, though, that the enemy could consolidate in such a way that the EL model can't be placed within 3" of its counter anyway, wiping it out regardless.

Yes, and according to Matt Ward, 'Crons and BA are great friends. I know there is a pic of this somewhere...

Ah yes, ye olde fistbump. People really need to let that go. :/

Regardless of his questionable fluff, I'm going to go with him knowing his own rules tbh.

Happyjew wrote:Yes, and according to Matt Ward, 'Crons and BA are great friends. I know there is a pic of this somewhere...

At least the new codex gave a sort-of reason for that bromance, since it explained who The Silent King is.