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Mal'ik Long Tusk (Logan Grimnar)

Dread: MM, HF
-DP
Dread: MM, HF
-DP
Dread: MM, HF
-DP

Tusk Guard Herd (Wolf Guard Pack): Terminator Armor
-SB, PW
-CMelta, PW
-CFlamer, PW
-WC x2
-TH/SS
-DP

Hunters: x10
-2x Meltas
-PF
-DP
Hunters: x10
-x2 Meltas
-PF
-DP
Hunters: x10
-x2 Flamers
-PF
-DP
Hunters: x10
-x2 Flamers
-PF
-DP

Long Tusks (Long Fangs): x4
4x MM
-Sgt: PW
-DP

Ok this is a fun, competitive list based on my own army fluff. I Am playing a game Friday against some kinda of Chaos. I am not sure what he is bringing. He played Iron Warriors in 3-4th but hasn't played them in a while. he might be bringing something totally different. We are not overly competitive players and play with fluff in mind.

I have 5 Pods that can DS first turn. So the plan is Grimnar goes in with the Long fangs. He is to give them relentless first turn when they drop down. Splitting fire between two targets. I am also planning on dropping at least 2 Dreads. After that it is going to be what I feel I need. I have 5 Troop choices so an objective mission does not scare me.

So C&C is welcome and incouraged. Like I said it is a fluff based army, along with it being a Drop Pod army. So no units on board to start. Please.

Thank you in anvance.

So going on what you have I think you should drop the PF in each GH squad and put in MOW and Wolf Standard. The metlagun squads can hit the armour hard with their guns and the flamers will take chunks out of troops.

Well its not really a wolf list. I don't want the MOW as it doesn't fit with the theme. Yes, the Standard could be cool but why should I get rid of the PF's?

balsak_da_mighty wrote:Well its not really a wolf list. I don't want the MOW as it doesn't fit with the theme. Yes, the Standard could be cool but why should I get rid of the PF's?

Because you're spending 25 points a model for 2 attacks when assaulting, 1 attack otherwise.

PW on Long Fang sergeants is also a big waste of points.

Also, never ever leave home without a wolf standard, its just that incredible at 10 points.

Ok So made some changes. I like the PF in the squads just to have that extra chance to kill higher Toughness things. But I will try it differently. The LF's sgt's PW was I had the points didn't really know what else to do with it. I thought about giving him a meltagun, but with the split fire rule it wouldn't work so well.

Mal'ik Long Tusk (Logan Grimnar)

Dread: MM, HF
-DP
Dread: MM, HF
-DP
Dread: MM, HF
-DP

Tusk Guard Herd (Wolf Guard Pack): Terminator Armor
-SB, PW
-CMelta, PW
-CFlamer, PW
-WC x2, CML
-TH/SS
-DP

Hunters: x10
-2x Meltas
-PW
-Standard
-DP
Hunters: x10
-x2 Meltas
-PW
-Standard
-DP
Hunters: x10
-x2 Flamers
-PW
-Standard
-DP
Hunters: x10
-x2 Flamers
-PW
-Standard
-DP

Long Tusks (Long Fangs): x4
4x MM
-Sgt
-DP

So is that really the only problem with the list? Is this any better?

Not sure what I want to do. I have a Deathwing list that I want to try as well. I am more familar with my DW but I want to know which you think is the best.

So here is the DW list.

Belial: LC's
Sammeal: Speeder

Dread: Plasma Cannon
Dread: Plasma Cannon

DW Squad
-Banner
-Apoth
DW Squad
-CML
DW Squad
-CML
Bikes x6
-2x Plasmaguns
-Apoth

Speeder: MM, TML
Speeder: MM, TML

Vindicator: Dozer
Vindicator: Dozer

I would like a CML in with the Upgraded DW Squad, just can find the points. Well which one do you think could do better?

Why Sammael? Why? DW have their own leader!

Because I like playing doublewing. I like to have bikes in there to DS close to with there TP homers and I like them having plasma with FNP.

Now I see the bikes. Not worth getting Sammael to fill that slot though. You have plenty of fast attack slots open.
I love playing DW lists. They are incredibly fun to play, but people seem to think that DW players are bad sports.

What is wrong with Sammeal?

I use him to cover my other speeders from shots. With his armor 14 it helps to sway some attacks that might deal with my other speeders easier. He also provides some much needed anti infantry to my list.

How do I have plenty of FA slots open. I have one. Sure they cfan fit there but its nice to have a fast troop unit to take an objective late game. That is really why they are there. It also doesn't hurt to have a couple of plasmas for some heavy infantry hunting.

I have been playing DA sense 3rd so I am not sure what that bad sport remark is about. I have played them even before they FAQ'd the weapons. Grant you they are a better list now then before. But still played them anyways.

I thank you for your help. But you didn't really answer my question. Which list do you think is better to deal with Chaos? The not so wolves, wolves or the DW?

DW definetley. The Deathwing/Bad sport remark was just a cause of a personal experience with a thoroughly dislikable player.
I suppose it is nice to have a bike troops choice. I remember the look on my opponent's face when I explained that my Terminators are fearless, half of them can arrive 1st turn, can hold objectives, count as troops and can take any Assault weapon combo for free without affecting an entire squad.

Ok? Still what list do you like better?

Arrrgh.... I LIKE THE DW!!!

Ohhh! ha ha ha..I am alittle dense today I guess. I feel like a fool.

I was thinking you liked DW just DW not that you liked DW over the wolves..he he he..Never mind I am fool.

Doesn't matter. Having a bad day myself. Sprained my ankle and had to walk all the way home on it
I've probably been quite naggy. We all make mistakes.

Sorry to say but drop pod lists wont work in a Tournament as 60% of players will be using Grey Knights and their stupid rule where you can not deep strike with-in 12'' of them :/ i know its sucks it has totally killed off Blood Angels but if this is just a friendly game and no one you know plays Grey Knights then you will be fine.

Sorry that I'm not much help but just wanted to point out that they will ruin your day, they did to me with my Wolves and my Angels :(

Yeah this is just a friendly game and I know about GK's as I am the only one that plays them at my LGS.

Thanks for the imput. Which list do you think is better?

Well I'm not keen on drop podding wolves, but its entirely up to you what do you like to play?

What is the fluff? I imagine it's the Space (insert animal with tusks here) chapter instead of the Space Wolves chapter.

Please don't tell me it is what I think it is. I CAME UP WITH THAT IDEA. Aw, now I might not do the army if I find the idea's taken.

I don't know whats your idea? same time man I don't know you..lol

I know you don't know me, but if I said my idea you might just claim to have taken it just to cheese me off.

Okay fine. Caveman-themed space marines using the Space Wolfs list, but with wooly mammoths, not wolves.

Well you are right. I got the idea from playing soul caliber 3. With Rocks one mammoth helmet.(if you know what i am talking about) They are not cavemen however. I have had this army built for about 3 years now. I have mammoth dreads and terminators and they are all beakie marines to go along with the trunks of the mammoths. The reason I did the wolves codex was I wanted them to be a bit more barbaric. And it was the older codex I started with. When I had to buy drop pods for my termintors because they wouldn't DS. Being affraid of tecnology.

And the I don't know you was a joke from a movie or show. cant remember..lol

I had pretty much the same idea a few years back. Well, if it's a good idea, someone's gonna do it. I'm going to assume you don't have any pictures.

Nope but I could get them posted in a couple of days. I just never took any. What colors where you planning on doing?

Brown and bone-white

Yeah I did brown and red.

Great, you even did a similar colour...

I was thinking of calling them either the Mammoth Tusks or the Mammoth Warriors

They would have been the space marines at the end of my Blood in the Streets fanfic on fanfic.net, but I ended up using the Crimson Fists.

So I played my game tonight. I won, tabled him turn 6.

This was his list.

Lord: PF, combi melta, MoK

Dread: Plasma Cannon
Chosen x5: 5x Meltaguns (Lord here)
-Rhino: Combi Melta

CSM squad x10: 2x Plasmaguns
-Sgt: PF, Combi plasma

2x CSM squad x10: x2 meltguns
-Sgt: PW, Combi Melta
-Rhino

2x Havoc x10: 4x Lascannons

Havoc x10: 4x Auto cannons

Got Capture and Control, Pitched Battle.

He won choice of sides and chose to go first. He deployed across the whole table. To my left he deployed 2 havocs one of LC's and one of the AC's. He depolyed his CSM on foot on the objective. With a squad in rhino next to the LC havoc squad along left hand table edge. He then dpeloyed his chosen next to the foot squad with the dread beside them. He deployed his next squad of havocs on a hill to my right with a squad in rhino next to them along the table edge.

I deployed my objective right acrossed his in center of my deployment zone. I had a big clump of trees on my right. i deployed both vindies and dreads in the woods. Behind them were my speeders. Beside the vindies to the right I deployed my 2 terminator squad with CML's. The bikes deployed just to the left of the vindies. I built a little turtle of armor and termintors. I scouted my bikes toward his one lc's squad on the right hand side. I rolled to seize an failed. Darn!

His first turn he move squad on foot, moved dread and moved havoces and rhinos up. The rhino to my right opend top shot 2 plasmaguns and killed one bike. I turbo busted so I had cover saves. Chosen moved to fat so could not fire. Dread also fired but failed to do anything. AC havoc squad had range with 2 and blew up my one vindie gun. BOO!

My first turn I dropped down belail and his squad next to his rhino that shot at bikes. Moved bikes behind rhino to shot at rear armor stunning it and immobilizing and killing all of its weapons. No pens at all. Everything moved up and to the right. This helped stay out of havocs range on the left side of board. vindie with no gun moved you towards havocs to cover Sammaels speeder, which moved up and blew up chosen rhino. Vindi moved to take position on chosen as they crawl out of the wreakage only to be shot to death by vindis hug gun. The dreads along with the CML's shot at havoc squad killing a few but they stuck around. A speeder targeted the rhino and scored a pen hit which blew it up. Hurting a couple of marines and killing a single one as it caught on fire. Turn 1 done.

His turn 2 was fast. he moved Rhino on my left up again not doing much as he was out of position. Both havocs on left hand side moved up trying to get range and better postions as well. Squad on foot ran to my right to get some shots in but was to tired to shot. Dread walked up geating alittle mad but held it in shooting belails squad and killing 3. OucH! Havocs on the hill shot at the vindi but trees blocked it to much failing to even srcatch paint. His squad crawling from wreakage hopped out and shot at bikes losing 2 in the process.

My turn 2 was pretty fast as well. Bikes turboed out of there to head back to home objective. Belail wanting to give some paybacks moved to charge the squad that had just taken some of his ravenwing brethern. Vindie moved slightly to get a better shot at havocs with AC's. Dreads proceeded with it moving through the rough foliage. Both terminator squads walked up to shot at the dread that was getting dangerously close. Speeders swooped in behind them, to cover there positions as well. After the smoke cleared from both terminators CML's and the TML's form the speeders they saw no sign of the dreadnought. Sammael shot some of the squad on foot killing a couple from the rending assault cannons gun. Belail in a rage charged the CSM trying to find info of his fallen brothers, but found nothing and killed 4 in the process. The 2 other terminators that were left attacked and fell 2 of there own. The heretics just would not flee so locked in combat they stayed.

His 3rd turn now in a position to give some fire support did with a vengence. The AC havocs shot at a dread and killed it with holes you could see right through. His plasma cannon fell limp as well as his PF. Foot squad seeing his heretic brotheren getting chopped to pieces moved back to get a better advantage point. His havocs on the hill shot at the vindis side again but only stunning it in the Trees. The other LC havoc shot the other vindi giving cover to the speeders and blew up the engine and everthing inside turning it into a wreak. Belail still trying to find some answers killed another 2 marines while the apothacary slayed one as well. broken the heretic failed to hit anything and ran away as fast as he could.

My turn started with belail and his Apothacary brother moving to stop those LC weilding marines. Vinid tried to moved but drivers head was ringing to bad to do so. Dread seeing the squad on foot in the open fired and slew 3 with a wild shot out of woods. Sammael seeing vindi get shot up moved to fire at rhino that was trying to go unnoticed. Blowing it up but the inside had allready gotten out. Hurting a couple but shrugging of any damage. Terminators and speeders moved to fire at havocs with AC's killing a few with missle that were to strong to be stopped by there power armor. Squad on foot took a plasma cannon shot killing most of the sqaud as they were trying to regroup but getting to close to each other. Belail in his rage charged up hill to stop the Havocs from firing at the vindi anymore killing 1 marine. I guess his anger took over to much and wiffed a bit. Lucky his trusted apothacary slew a couple more but being to stubburn to flee.

Turn 4 having been shot by plasma the Sgt ran back to his brothers to get some covering fire. havocs stood still aimed there lascannons and shot the vindi again only stunning it another turn. The AC's failed to do anything s well as the trees in front of the dread were to thick to fire through. The other squad on foot was alittle confused seeing fellow man get slane and forgot to move. The last of the lascannons got cut down will fighting Belail and the Apothacary but the apothacary got a chainsword to the gut and fell even with his Narthecium. Seeing his trusted friend fall he ran down the hill as fast as he could to go get those fallen.

The Dark Angels felt vistory in the blood. Belail ran up to the middle of the board to the chaos objective. Followed by another squad of terminators whom he joined. Missles from both the terminators and speeders rung out into the AC's havoc squad slewing quit a few will they had no cover. Sammael moved up to finish off the squad that had been confused making them retreat into the other havoc squad. The vindi still having his head ring couldn't move as bad as he wanted to. Dread moved out of the woods to give some helplful fire as well. Slaying the last of the AC squad. Bikes who had been holding back, stayed on the home objective.

His 5th turn began by his squad running away finally getting back into the fight running towards there objective. The havocs stood taking aim at the small temrintor squad that was left. failing to kill a single one as they missed with a shot and there Storm shields saved them of any damage.

Belail hearing the squad running towards the objective walked slowly to hid his presense only to pop out and charge the unsuspecting foes, the vind finally getting the rining to stopped put it in gear and moved out of the trees to see a squad of 4 LC's aiming right at him. He fired, perfect shot killing the last 4 havocs as there bodies flew in the air in every direction. The speeders all turned to the squad trying to get back to the objective leaving one for Belail to hunt down and kill.

I know eaelier I said it took 6 turns, it did, but I mixed some of the turns up. But that is the jest of what happend. It was a pretty good game and we both had fun. He made some mistakes at deploying and I exploited them to the best I could. I think if he had deployed a bit different it might have gone alittle differently. Stilll I hope you liked this Batrep.

I lost 3 bikes, 7 terminators, a vindie and Belial had taken 2 wounds. Thanks for the help.