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Can the Landraider Redeemer place it's template over the units behind the blue solid wall which it can't draw LOS to? It can draw LOS to the model 1.
I think it is not be possible (as it can't see the models behind there) but I can't find a rule (or rules) to forbid it.

Don't have the rulebook to hand but i don't think so.
IIRC it CAN scatter onto things that you don't have LOS to, but you can't target them directly.

Joey wrote:Don't have the rulebook to hand but i don't think so.
IIRC it CAN scatter onto things that you don't have LOS to, but you can't target them directly.

A template weapon never scatters. Blast markers scatter.

If I'm not mistaken, no weapons can fire through LOS-blocking terrain and so, the LRR couldn't target the squads behind the LOS-blocking cover.

Iranna.

100% yes it can do so, and in fact in some cases MUST

As long as you have LOS to the target unit, the template rules kick in and FORCE you to place it where it covers the most models from that target unit. THis can force you to place the template out of lOS.

Hive guard assault weapons can fire without los. but no, a blast marker can not be placed on a model that the firing weapon does not have los on. as stated above it CAN, SCATTER onto them, but thats it.

nosferatu1001 wrote:100% yes it can do so, and in fact in some cases MUST

As long as you have LOS to the target unit, the template rules kick in and FORCE you to place it where it covers the most models from that target unit. THis can force you to place the template out of lOS.

This.

Ty

As Nosferatu1001 says, rules say simply "covers as many models as possible" BRB 29 TEMPLATE.
So in this instance, yes you would and must place it so it covers models out of los.

"Covers as many models as possible" you cannot target a unit that has no models in los. And also if like in the OP's post only one model is visible that model is targeted and then the template is placed on the visible target, if when placing the template on the VISABLE model the blast radius hits models out of los of course that legal. i think the way people are stating it here is a blatant misuse for RAW vs RAI. and just another glaring example of GWs vague and poorly written rules. and im not saying this as a rant, i have and use many blast weapons in several of my army's, i just think its silly to take some poorly written rule and twist the words so that now you are shooting out of los? shannagins i say. in the OP post he asks if the redeemer can target models behind the blue wall... which it cannot. it can place the template on the visible model to cover the most possible models.

"Visible" appears in the text less often than Bloodfist posits.

nosferatu1001 has the right of it.

Bloodfist wrote:"Covers as many models as possible" you cannot target a unit that has no models in los. And also if like in the OP's post only one model is visible that model is targeted and then the template is placed on the visible target, if when placing the template on the VISABLE model the blast radius hits models out of los of course that legal. .

This is not what the rules say. You are trying to use the BLAST rules that require to place the blast on a model in LOS, template rules has no such requirement.

Bloodfist wrote:i think the way people are stating it here is a blatant misuse for RAW vs RAI. and just another glaring example of GWs vague and poorly written rules. and im not saying this as a rant, i have and use many blast weapons in several of my army's, i just think its silly to take some poorly written rule and twist the words so that now you are shooting out of los? shannagins i say. in the OP post he asks if the redeemer can target models behind the blue wall... which it cannot. it can place the template on the visible model to cover the most possible models.

Again please read the rules before posting like this, there is a big differance with BLAST and TEMPLATE weapons. And the template rules say you simply place the template covering as many models as possible.

The mistake was not my understanding of the rules, at least not as far as i know. it was in the reading of the OP' s post. and i apologize for that. for some reason when i read it i thought he was talking about a blast marker not a template. and as to my referencing the word "Visual" in no way was i quoting the RB, that was just my paraphrasing and again i was talking about blast marker not template

my bad!

No prob, i read ur first post again and noticed you wrote "blast" so tis was a bit of misunderstanding!

Bloodfist wrote:"Covers as many models as possible" you cannot target a unit that has no models in los. And also if like in the OP's post only one model is visible that model is targeted and then the template is placed on the visible target, if when placing the template on the VISABLE model the blast radius hits models out of los of course that legal. i think the way people are stating it here is a blatant misuse for RAW vs RAI. and just another glaring example of GWs vague and poorly written rules. and im not saying this as a rant, i have and use many blast weapons in several of my army's, i just think its silly to take some poorly written rule and twist the words so that now you are shooting out of los? shannagins i say. in the OP post he asks if the redeemer can target models behind the blue wall... which it cannot. it can place the template on the visible model to cover the most possible models.

I'm not gonna get into blast vs template as that's been handled, but the bold part is wrong.

You target units not models...ok sometimes it would be a unit that consists of a single model but you still target the unit. All you need to do is be able to see is one model to fire at the unit.

Akroma06 wrote:You target units not models...ok sometimes it would be a unit that consists of a single model but you still target the unit. All you need to do is be able to see is one model to fire at the unit.

QFT, this is covered in the second sentence on page 16 main rules under 'Check Line of Sight & Pick a Target'.

Akroma06 wrote:

Bloodfist wrote:"Covers as many models as possible" you cannot target a unit that has no models in los. And also if like in the OP's post only one model is visible that model is targeted and then the template is placed on the visible target, if when placing the template on the VISABLE model the blast radius hits models out of los of course that legal. i think the way people are stating it here is a blatant misuse for RAW vs RAI. and just another glaring example of GWs vague and poorly written rules. and im not saying this as a rant, i have and use many blast weapons in several of my army's, i just think its silly to take some poorly written rule and twist the words so that now you are shooting out of los? shannagins i say. in the OP post he asks if the redeemer can target models behind the blue wall... which it cannot. it can place the template on the visible model to cover the most possible models.

I'm not gonna get into blast vs template as that's been handled, but the bold part is wrong.

You target units not models...ok sometimes it would be a unit that consists of a single model but you still target the unit. All you need to do is be able to see is one model to fire at the unit.

time wizard wrote:

Akroma06 wrote:You target units not models...ok sometimes it would be a unit that consists of a single model but you still target the unit. All you need to do is be able to see is one model to fire at the unit.

QFT, this is covered in the second sentence on page 16 main rules under 'Check Line of Sight & Pick a Target'.

He already clarified that he meant blast markers, blast markers can only be placed on a visible model, why bring it up?