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Here's my next try for a shooty marines list, using my favourite Special Character and chapter. Feel free to comment and/or criticise.

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Pedro Kantor


Elite

5 Sternguards, 2 plasmacanon, Razorback W/twin-lascanon - 220

5 Sternguards, 2 plasmacanon, Razorback W/twin-lascanon - 220


Troops

Tactical Squad, meltagun, Lascanon, powerfist, combi-flamer, Rhino - 255

Tactical Squad, meltagun, plasmacanon, powerfist, combi-flamer, Rhino - 250

5 Scouts, missile launcher, Telion - 135


Heavy Support

Predator, Auto-las - 120

Predator, Auto-las - 120


Total: 1495

This is a defensive list, with a lot of shooting. Once the opponnent has been soften up, I can roll forward to capture objectives or hunt down survivors. My main concern would be playing against assault heavy lists or Guards, who will probably outshoot me anyways.

Why the cannons on the Sterns? They lose their Special Ammo rules and keep the unit from shooting on the move. One of the key benefits of Sternguard are cheap combi-weapons and special weapons, why not take advantage of those?

Because I want to try something different. You are totaly right in that, Sternguards can be devastating at short range, especially with combis. But they also offer the option of small weapon teams, that leave my HS slots for something else like predators and keeps the point cost relatively low.

Granted, I lost two special ammo per squad - but I gained a small blast, str7 ap2 weapon for each of those. Those squads will be firing at infantry, from GEQ to TEQ, so starting from 30", every one can shoot at the target (thanks to Kraken Bolts). As I said, I'm trying to do gunline, shooty marines, and I think Sternguards can help me do that.

I like sternguard with heavy weapons. Though I guess you will combat squad and have 4 5 man units at the back with a bunch of heavy weapons. This to me makes me think a dev. squad would be a better addition rather than the preds.

Also I like Telion to have 10 men so he survive and they can kill stuff.

I agree, I like Devastator squads more and more! Problem is, one squad cost as much as the two preds together and they get only 4 HW instead of 6 :(
Also: the predators add AV-target for my opponent. Either the razorbacks survive or the preds do. Without the predator's threat, the razorbacks would be shot down almost instantly (that's what is happening lately with my other list with 4 rhinos and 2 razors...)

In a 1750-2000 pts list, I would be going the devastator way though to be honnest.

Oddly enough, every time I played Telion nobody tried to put him down until late game. Off course more protection could be usefull if people start to shoot at his squad more often.

Would two MM/HF speeders be better than the Scouts? Or anything else for that matter - I have enough scoring units as is, so I don't mind dropping the Scouts and use the 140 pts left for something else.

Ok, I've playtested the above list a couple of times and it did great. As I thought though, close combat is a quite a challenge and the last turns of play can be quite hard when almost all my shooting power has been depleeted.

That being said, I definitely think this kind of list could work, so here's another one, without Kantor, but more shooting potential and target saturation. C&C are welcome!

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Librarian, meltabombs - 105

Elite

7 Sternguards, 2 heavy flamer, 4 combi-melta, Rhino - 250

7 Sternguards, 2 heavy flamer, 4 combi-melta, Rhino - 250

Troops

5 Tactical Marines, combi-flamer, power fist, Razorback, twin-lascanon - 200

5 Tactical Marines, combi-flamer, power fist, Razorback, twin-lascanon - 200

5 scouts, missile launcher, sniper rifles, Telion - 135

Heavy Support

Predator, Autocanon, twin-lascanon - 120

Predator, Autocanon, twin-lascanon - 120

Vindicator, dozer blade - 120


Total: 1500 pts

I like the list above but is there a reason the lib has meltabombs?

I had 5 extra points. So no I guess....