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This is my second revised version of my previous list. All feedback is welcome. If you are wondering why I am so light on troops it is because in the tournemant on day 2 when it is 2000pt games they are annihilation games. So I do not need troops to capture objectives. I have notes and options that I have been thinking about below the list.

Mephiston-250pts

Troops
Assault Squad-Melta-Gun, Power Sword-125pts
Razorback-Lascannon and TL Plasmagun-55pts
Assault Squad-Melta-Gun, Power Sword-125pts
Razorback-Lascannon and TL Plasmagun-55pts



Elites
Terminator Assault Squad-2 Thunderhammers + Storm Shields-210pts
Landraider Crusader-Multi-Melta and Extra Armour-275pts
Sanguinary Priest-Terminator Armour and Powersword-85pts
Chaplain-100pts

Fast Attack

Baal Predator-TL Assault Cannon-115pts
Baal Predator-TL Assault Cannon-115pts
Baal Predator-TL Assault Cannon, Heavy Bolter Sponsons-145pts

Heavy Support

Predator-Auto Cannon, Heavy Bolter Sponsons-100pts
Predator-Auto Cannon, Heavy Bolter Sponsons-100pts
Vindicator-145pts

Total-2000pts

I have a number of options that I am considering in the Fast Attack and Heavy Support slots.

Option 1-I could have 3 Baal Predators one with heavy bolters the rest with no sponsons and for heavy support 2 Predators with heavy bolters and a Vidicator.

Option 2-I could take 3 Dakka Predators (AC+HB) for my heavy support and 3 Baal Predators, 2 with HB sponsons one without.

Option 3-I could take 3 predators with AC and LC sponsons and then 2 Baal predators with Assault Cannons and HB sponsons. And Spend Extra Points somewhere else.

Option 4-I could take 2 Predators (AC with Lascannon Sponsons) and then take 3 Baals with Auto Cannons and HB sponsons then spend more points in other places like melta bombs or another hammer in my terminators. Also if I dropped a Meltagun from an Assault Squad then i could have 3 Dakka Preds instead of two with lascannons.

So what do you think out of those options.

Thanks for reading.

I need help with this. I need some replies otherwise I will never know what to imrove on.

Take extra armour off. It will become a massive points sink and Machine Spirit, if I remember correctly, will drive you.
A major flaw is that you need some more AT, thinking Stormraven or Las Predators (Fast will make these DEADLY)
Otherwise, quite effective.

I can't really find the points for a Stromraven. But judging by your post you seem to be telling me to go for Option 3 or Option 4. My main anti-tank comes from by Baal Predators as for things like Landraiders you have a better chance to damage it with an assault cannon then you do with lascannon.

Since when have Baal Preds been a good anti tank option? They are incredibly expensive and short ranged, and Str 6 may just (barely) scratch the paint from a Land Raider. A Las Pred will not also be fast (Which can always be fun when you fly around the back of a cherished tank and 1 shot it with a Lascannon) but also you can fire on the move, making your predator a very mobile fire platform.

Baal predators can also move fast and have a scout so they can outflank or infiltrate. And lascannons have less of a chance to damage the land raider than a assault cannon does.

From a assault cannon all 4 shots should hit. Normally 1 will rend. and then on the second roll 3-4 glances and 5-6 penetrates. Sure it is not as reliable per shot to damage it but you get 4 of them. Lascannons still need a 6 to pen or 5 to glance. It is not twin linked. So it has a 1/3 chance of missing completly. Then if you get a 6 more the lascannon you have just as more of chance of one or more of those assault cannon shots getting 6's. Assault cannons also have anti-infantry capabilitys getting 4 shots compared to the 1 of the lascannon.

So the things you listed about being fast to get around the rear armour is not enough 18" yes 12" no. Although 12" is a long movement it is not that long. and the Baal is also a mobile firing platform getting more shots and generally more hits due to the twin liked assault cannon.

Do not get me wrong I am not ruling out lascannons but I mainly want tips on the options I listed at the bottom.

Also alot of people say that assault cannons are good at anti-tank.

The turret would be TW. A fully Las Pred will have 3 shots, one which is twinlinked, with a 2 in 3 chance of hitting. It is long ranged, allowing you to shoot from a distance.
BRAINWAVE! Why not use Multimelta Speeders?
Vindicators don't advantage v. well from being fast, and are really expensive. Where would your Chaplain be attached? I see very little to improve with him.

he would be attached to the terminators along with the priest in order to provide FNP to the squad make them fearless and also so they can re-roll attacks and chew through other squads. That way with the chaplain I have no qualms about charging another terminator unit.

Also I am not a fan of speeders the AV10 is two easy to take down. But I might give them a try instead of the third predator. Only problem is they would have to shoot at the same tank. I would also need to find points somewhere unless I only took 1.

Chaplains don't give FNP. Granted, rerolls to hit are nice, but Terminators are odds on to hit.. A Chaplain is quite expensive for the few upgrades it applies, and are just plain more effective with DC.

No but the priest does and he goes with the squad also check my post about the Chaplain I mention that the Sanguinary priest goes with the squad also.

My thinking is that you want either 3 Auto/Las Predators or 3 Vindicators, not a mix. I've run Dakka Preds and I've almost always ended up disappointed. Obviously, you'd need to cut something to make either of my options fit, and I nominate the Chaplain. I would guess that most of the Chaplain's benefits will end up being overkilll; he won't get that squad over the hump against the stuff that can take it on in CC, like a GK/SoB DCA squad or Wyches. In addition, having him concentrates more of your points in a single vehicle, without improving the durability of said vehicle.

Why do people think to drop the Chaplain? he adds a lot to the squad fearless being the most important as that squad will draw a lot of fire. Also would you recommend three Predators or three Vindicators?

I would recommend Preds as they tie in well with BA. Vindicators Devastator Cannons are ordnance, so no fire on the move and far less freedom of firepower (Hull mounted weapons only shoot 45 degrees whilst a Pred can move the turret 360 and the Sponsons can move just pass 180) and really a massive points sink for one good (short ranged) weapon.

Chaplain should go as for 30 points extra you could get a Reclusiarch, which has similar stats to a Captain, with the advantages of a Chaplain.

Also, Mephiston isn't suited to a Mech Army. He is gorey up close, but tactics will make it hard to get him there (I suppose he could go in a razorback) and he is most likely to spend an entire getting shot at. Being that renowned, every single shot with LoS will aim at him.

There is no rule against firing on the move with ordanance weapons.

You've performed a crazy mind trick on me. Still, for identical armour of a Pred and a short ranged immanouverable (Powerful, I know) gun, it's not ideal. Also as Vindicators were designed for cities of death, the sides will be incredbly vunerable and with nothing to protect it is likely to get shot in the side by a LC or similar.

Ok I have literally just made this list so what do you think about it.

HQ
Librarian-Terminator Armour-125pts
Reclusiarch-Melta-Bombs-135pts

Troops
Assault Squad-Melta-Gun, Power Sword-125pts
Razorback-Lascannon and TL Plasmagun-55pts
Assault Squad-Melta-Gun-110pts
Razorback-Lascannon and TL Plasmagun-55pts

Elites
Terminator Assault Squad-2 Thunderhammers + Storm Shields-210pts
Landraider Crusader-Multi-Melta-260pts
Sanguinary Priest-Terminator Armour and Powersword-85pts

Fast Attack

Baal Predator-TL Assault Cannon, Heavy Bolter Sponsons-145pts
Baal Predator-TL Assault Cannon, Heavy Bolter Sponsons-145pts
Baal Predator-TL Assault Cannon, Heavy Bolter Sponsons-145pts

Heavy Support

Predator-Auto Cannon, Lascannon Sponsons-135pts
Predator-Auto Cannon, Lascannon Sponsons-135pts
Predator-Auto Cannon, Lascannon Sponsons-135pts
Total-2000pts

In this list I have the 3 Baal Predators and the 3 Auto Cannon Lascannon Predators. And still kept my bowling ball of death.

I feel that the bowling ball of death is not going to absorb as much shooting as you think. I may be proven wrong. Regardless, I feel that the list will be fun to play!

Not saying it will absorb tons of fire. But, it will survive most of what is thrown at it as people will be gunning for the Predators.

Not all players are stupid. Some will see your cannonballs and simply decide to DS behind you with MM LS? All of you cannonballs will either be split open or be forced to show the rear armour to the rest of the opponents army. Just take the Preds.

Cannon Balls what are you talking about? Your saying just take preds I have 6 of them in the list I can't take any more.

Cannonballs = Vindicators. Sorry if I confused you, this is what we call 'em at the FLGS

When I say 'Just take the Preds' I mean take the Pred list.

Oh so take the second list. Ok cheers for the input.

Entirely welcome. Good luck and may you roll many 6's (unless it's leadership)

AWESOME SAUCE!