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big mek, kff, powerclaw 110
warboss, squig, cyborg, eavy, powerclaw 115
2 20 boyz, nob, pk, bosspole,
1 10 boyz, trukk 95
1 10 lootas 150
1 battlewagon, rpj, shoota, deff rolla 120
2 battlewagon, prj, shoota 200
13 burnas, mek 195
8 nobz, big choppa, eavy armour, pain boy, waaaagh banner, powerclaw, battlewagon, rpj, shoota 395
5 mega nobz, battlewagon rpj, shoota, 300

The only weird thing in this list is the trukk. Im going to put the lootas in it and go flat out the first turn to get a good firing position where all my lootas can fire and they have mild protection, and any heavy at fired there will tank it off my bws and not even kill very many lootas, who willl then have a crater/ wreck to hide behind.

Wait don't have the dex in front of me... but i think they can fire pretty far anyway and you might loose a turn of firing with them with the truck

Ive had bad luck with my lootas being able to fire for 5 games now. I know that part is funny, but please focus on the rest, im going to at least give it a try.

Pretty sure you can't take battlewagons as dedicated transports for boyz mobs.

My bad, I forgot to take it off there when i added it to the bottom.

Ok well just my 2 cents but

if you go against grey knights you might have some issues with low amount of multi wound models.

you have 3 scoring units one of those is a ten man Boyz that will get killed real fast so two left to hold objectives

and watch two nobz units because they need Warbosses for leadership or they run off the board quick

I like it it looks fun but i see to few Orks on the table to be effective

i could be completely wrong but hay wont be the first time

Ok putting lootas in the trukk is the worst idea you could ever do. They have 48' range, no need to move them. Why couldn't they fire? Don't worry about giving cover to them. They are only AP 4 anyways so its really only going to effect some of the armies. Not to mention if they are getting shot up by that many shots a cover save really isn't going to help them that much anyways. I use 30 lootas and have never had a problem with them not firing.

Being in trukk means if the trukk gets a can't shot, then the lootas can't shoot. More then likely though the trukk will blow up and some to most of the lootas will die.

Now as for your list. I am a little confused. How many BW do you have in the list? I count 7. If that is correct then you have an illegal list. All of your BW should have Deathrollas too. Not just one of them.

if he moved the truck they couldnt fire there heavy right?

lukeme746 wrote:Ok well just my 2 cents but

if you go against grey knights you might have some issues with low amount of multi wound models.

you have 3 scoring units one of those is a ten man Boyz that will get killed real fast so two left to hold objectives

and watch two nobz units because they need Warbosses for leadership or they run off the board quick

I like it it looks fun but i see to few Orks on the table to be effective

i could be completely wrong but hay wont be the first time

I can run the nobz as a troop choice with the warboss.

I hope the survivability of the battlewagons will help me pick the best place to fight with all my units

Wow what size table does the OP play on? 48" covers most of the table if playing on a 6ft by 4ft

one mega nobz or nobz unit as troop

not both at the same time

ok never mind read your whole list wrong my fault sorry about that i will shut it now

balsak_da_mighty wrote:Ok putting lootas in the trukk is the worst idea you could ever do. They have 48' range, no need to move them. Why couldn't they fire? Don't worry about giving cover to them. They are only AP 4 anyways so its really only going to effect some of the armies. Not to mention if they are getting shot up by that many shots a cover save really isn't going to help them that much anyways. I use 30 lootas and have never had a problem with them not firing.

Being in trukk means if the trukk gets a can't shot, then the lootas can't shoot. More then likely though the trukk will blow up and some to most of the lootas will die.

Now as for your list. I am a little confused. How many BW do you have in the list? I count 7. If that is correct then you have an illegal list. All of your BW should have Deathrollas too. Not just one of them.

30 lootas is alot different from 10 isnt it? You can afford to do what you do because you have so many shots. If you play against a half smart player they can avoid a single squad of lootas, or at least get cover saves on their fire. I need them to pop at leas on transport. Anyways, like i said im going to do it.

I have 5 wagons, not sure where you count 7.

Jubear wrote:Wow what size table does the OP play on? 48" covers most of the table if playing on a 6ft by 4ft

Not only is it range, but its easy to use cover to block line of sight, getting the 18 inches will put me at a great angle. And like I said, if they focus fire them what ever, its not on the important stuff.

lukeme746 wrote:one mega nobz or nobz unit as troop

not both at the same time

ok never mind read your whole list wrong my fault sorry about that i will shut it now

Ya, im going to make the nobz troops, not mega nobz. And after the boyz get out of the trukk first turn, i hardly see them being fired at until late game or if they are the only target. And if they do get focused, what ever, more off the wagons.

slayerzav wrote:big mek, kff, powerclaw 110
warboss, squig, cyborg, eavy, powerclaw 115
2 20 boyz, nob, pk, bosspole ,(Now I don't because you removed the battlewagons from here)
1 10 boyz, trukk 95
1 10 lootas 150
1 battlewagon, rpj, shoota, deff rolla 120
2 battlewagon, prj, shoota 200
13 burnas, mek 195
8 nobz, big choppa, eavy armour, pain boy, waaaagh banner, powerclaw, battlewagon, rpj, shoota 395
5 mega nobz, battlewagon rpj, shoota, 300

The only weird thing in this list is the trukk. Im going to put the lootas in it and go flat out the first turn to get a good firing position where all my lootas can fire and they have mild protection, and any heavy at fired there will tank it off my bws and not even kill very many lootas, who willl then have a crater/ wreck to hide behind.

Well if you are going to put the lootas in the trukk anyways then why are you asking for help? If you are having that bad of luck with lootas, then you might not want to take them. I do play against smart players, but its hard to hide from them all the time.

How much terrain is on the board? How much is blocking? If you have that much blocking terrain and no line of sight then your board is to crowded.

Again the cover saves mean nothing with them as they don't have the Ap for most armies. If you are only shooting at transports then maybe Suicide Koptas might be more your style. Then you don't have to worry about a static unit in your list.

But hey you seem to know what you are doing aftrer all. Why didn't I think to put my Lootas in a trukk so they can't fire first turn and then get them killed. That is so smart. All these years of playing this game and I still learn something new everyday. Sorry for the attitude, but come on you ask for help and then say your going to do it anyways.

Alright man im over the nerd rage. I stated two things, im going to try the lootas in trukk out. And also I mentioned I altered the post to take out misplaced wagons.

In my second comment I said to focus on other things because the lootas are my experiment. Anyways, its my last response to you if your going to continue this.

Hey you started it, I am just trying to help.

I am just saying it is a bad idea. They are not going to get you anywhere with being in a trukk. Your best bet is to remove them all together if you are not comfortable with them.

If you really truely want help building a BW list then I am here to help. I am just confused with how you don't have LOS with those Lootas. I have never seen a board to have that much blocking terrain to not have LOS. Please explain to me how this is?

Its a standard 6x4 board, i guess they just often have alot of the imperial sectors 4 wall terrain pieces. Dealing with cover saves with only 10 lootas firing, hitting on 5s, at 12-13 armour doesnt work out too well, especially when i normally only get one shot each.

I have them there to try and pop a transport, and i think they will be able too on turn 2 as long as I at least take away the 3/4+ cover.

Ok the imperial sectors should not block LOS. You can shoot through the windows, granting cover saves sure. If you only get one shot every turn then the lootas are not for you. Most of the time 5 lootas should be enough to kill a transport. You might want to move to something else. Just saying.

How are they getting 3+ covers anyways. That is only for a fortified building and I am sure that is only if you are in it. Something sounds fishy here.

So after thinking about what you want and need. I made this list up. It is here to help and by no means telling you what to take. Just a different point of view.

Boss: EA, CBB, Squig( 7 str 6 attacks is more then enough not to have a PK on him. Keeps him around alittle longer IMHO)
Mek: KFF

Meganobs: 1x Kombi-Skorcha
-BW: Rolla, Plates, Riggers, BShoota
Burnas x10

Nobs x6: 2x PK, BP, Banner, Painboy, 2x BChoppas, Kombi-Skorcha
-BW: Rolla, Plates, Riggers, BShoota
Sluggas x20(I might do shootas but that is personal choice)
-Nob: PK, BP
Sluggas x20
-Nob: PK, BP

Trakks x2: TL Rokkits
Trakks x2: TL Rokkits
Trakks x2: TL Rokkits

BW: Rolla, Plates, BShoota(Mek here, doesn't need riggers)
BW: Rolla, Plates, Riggers, BShoota
BW: Rolla, Plates, Riggers, BShoota

This gives you 5 BW's along with 6 trakks to deal with tanks, tranpsorts and blocking assaults to the BW's. Hope this helps!

Well I do have some buggies I can use, Ill try out both way and see what works best. Thanks for your help.

There is a lack of deathrollers on your battlewagon. Bosspole for your nob squad would be good.

Will the Lootas miss the first turn of shooting if the crawl into the trukk?

Otherwise go get 'em tiger .

Lootas can't even take a Trukk as a DT. The only way you could even do that would be to start with a squad of Boyz in a Trukk, then first turn disembark them, and then next turn, embark the Lootas. Which is absurd.

if you /really/ want your Lootas mobile, the only viable option would be to put them in one of you Heavy Support BW's and just keep them in it while shooting.

MFletch wrote:There is a lack of deathrollers on your battlewagon. Bosspole for your nob squad would be good.

Will the Lootas miss the first turn of shooting if the crawl into the trukk?

Otherwise go get 'em tiger .

Ya they will miss the first time but im just going to see how it works. The reason i only have one deffrolla is to try and just that one battle wagon focused. Ill try and protect in but in the longer run if the other wagons make it and that wont doesnt its going to be ok.

Warboss Zarruk wrote:Lootas can't even take a Trukk as a DT. The only way you could even do that would be to start with a squad of Boyz in a Trukk, then first turn disembark them, and then next turn, embark the Lootas. Which is absurd.

if you /really/ want your Lootas mobile, the only viable option would be to put them in one of you Heavy Support BW's and just keep them in it while shooting.

Read then OP and other comments, then talk.