Ork Weaponry Question

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**abhus**

Hey guys, i was wondering is the Kombi Weapon (that shoota /rokkit weapon) a single or a two handed weapon,
and how about the Big Choppa?

**marauder6272**

unless the gun has 'Pistol' in its stats, it's considered two-handed, and the Big Choppa is specifically described as two-handed on pg.89 of the codex

**insaniak**

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/280663.page

Moving to YMDC

**cgmckenzie**

Kombi weapons are shootas, shootas are 2 handed.

-cgmckenzie

**MasterSlowPoke**

It doesn't really matter how many hands a ranged-only weapon uses. It could use one, two, or six and never make any difference.

**BlapBlapBlap**

Correct. If you read the BGB you should find only pistols are CCWS. The rest don't account for anything in CC.

**nkelsch**

Handiness doesn't matter in 5th. You may have a nob with a kombiskorcha and big choppa. Doesn't matter that they are both 2-handed like it did in previous editions...

**Ghaz**

Actually how many hands a weapon requires does matter. Its a common misconception, but the rules never require that a weapon be a pistol or close combat weapon in order to provide the +1 attack in close combat.

**jordanis**

p.42

the big grey book wrote: FIGHTING WITH TWO SINGLE-HANDED WEAPONS
some models are equipped with two single-handed weapons they can use in close combat, with the rulse given below for the different possible combinations

it does specify that it must be a close combat weapon, and it also says on the same page (2nd para, 2nd sentence) that pistols are CCW in close combat.
a model with a flamer and a meltagun would not get any addition CC attacks, as neither are pistols, nor standard close combat weapons

**Ghaz**

From page 37 of the Warhammer 40,000 5th edition rulebook:

+1 Two Weapons: Engaged models with two single-handed weapons (typically a close combat weapon and/or a pistol in each hand) get an extra +1 attack.

Unlike the 3rd edition rulebook there is nothing that requires the weapons to be either a pistol or a close combat weapon.

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And as for your example, you may want to check the main rulebook FAQ. Both the flamer and meltagun are two-handed.

**DeathReaper**

Ghaz wrote:Actually how many hands a weapon requires does matter. Its a common misconception, but the rules never require that a weapon be a pistol or close combat weapon in order to provide the +1 attack in close combat.

Sure, but there are no one handed weapons that exist that are not pistols or CCW's

**Ghaz**

That however is inconsequential. The rule applies to how many hands a weapon takes to use and not its type. This is supported by the FAQ. Its a disservice to the OP to tell him otherwise.

**Armless Failure**

A big Choppa is two handed, so even if the the Kombi weapon was a pistol, it wouldn't matter.

**Jidmah**

BRB pg. 42 tells us that riffle butts are two-handed. Thus, a shoota would be a two-handed close combat weapon, just like cgmckenzie and DeathReaper said.

**Serder**

Jidmah wrote:BRB pg. 42 tells us that riffle butts are two-handed. Thus, a shoota would be a two-handed close combat weapon, just like cgmckenzie and DeathReaper said.

stats wise, they are two handed, and so do NOT provide the extra attack in cc.

However, modding wise, you can make them one handed as long as its clear what the weapon is.

Question: since the Big choppa is a two handed weapon, does he provide an extra cc attack?

**nosferatu1001**

No. How can you USE two single handed close combat weapons when you are using a two handed close combat weapon?

**Jidmah**

Serder wrote:
Jidmah wrote:BRB pg. 42 tells us that riffle butts are two-handed. Thus, a shoota would be a two-handed close combat weapon, just like cgmckenzie and DeathReaper said.

stats wise, they are two handed, and so do NOT provide the extra attack in cc.

However, modding wise, you can make them one handed as long as its clear what the weapon is.

Question: since the Big choppa is a two handed weapon, does he provide an extra cc attack?

The actual model has no bearing on whether the weapon is one or two-handed. There are two one-handed versions for big choppas (nobz box and warbiker box), but they are still two-handed.

**Ghaz**

Jidmah wrote:The actual model has no bearing on whether the weapon is one or two-handed.

Agreed. Otherwise Storm Bolters would be single-handed weapons as I've yet to see one modeled using two hands!

**Kommissar Kel**

My Ild IG Sgts had 2-handed Storm bolters(gut up Flamer arms with the peg coming out the side of the storm bolter); back in 4th ed, when the Sgts could have them.

This SOB Model:

And finally my SM Tac Sgts have them 2-handed.

Only 1 Official model, but still it exists.