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2011/11/22 18:45:48
Subject: INDEPENDENT CHARACTER ATTACHED TO PALADINS.
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Ultramarine Scout with Sniper Rifle
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In close combat, would an independent character benefit from the apothecary's FNP?
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2011/11/22 18:51:48
Subject: INDEPENDENT CHARACTER ATTACHED TO PALADINS.
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Painlord Titan Princeps of Slaanesh
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If he is attached to the original squad he would. He is only considered a separate unit for the purposes of determining attacks.
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2011/11/22 18:56:12
Subject: INDEPENDENT CHARACTER ATTACHED TO PALADINS.
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Lord Commander in a Plush Chair
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calypso2ts wrote:If he is attached to the original squad he would. He is only considered a separate unit for the purposes of determining attacks.
this is incorrect.
ICs are separate units throughout all of the attack resolution.
FNP from a unit based source does not confer to an IC in close combat.
This goes for Warbosses in Nob units and Doc Grotsnik with anyone as well.
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This is my Rulebook. There are many Like it, but this one is mine. Without me, my rulebook is useless. Without my rulebook, I am useless.
Stop looking for buzz words and start reading the whole sentences.
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2011/11/22 19:04:09
Subject: INDEPENDENT CHARACTER ATTACHED TO PALADINS.
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Regular Dakkanaut
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I thought he counts a model in that unit but has to be target specificly I have never seen or heard of one not getting fnp from the unit
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2011/11/22 19:08:06
Subject: Re:INDEPENDENT CHARACTER ATTACHED TO PALADINS.
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Focused Dark Angels Land Raider Pilot
Mesa, AZ
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I believe it does confer FNP to the IC. IC are part of the unit, as per page 49 BRB. The Apothecary's Narthecium/Reductor gives 'every model in the unit' FNP.
Edit: removed GK reference
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2011/11/22 19:09:52
“What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof.”
"All their wars are merry, and all their songs are sad." |
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2011/11/22 19:13:04
Subject: INDEPENDENT CHARACTER ATTACHED TO PALADINS.
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Painlord Titan Princeps of Slaanesh
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Kommissar Kel wrote:
this is incorrect.
ICs are separate units throughout all of the attack resolution.
FNP from a unit based source does not confer to an IC in close combat.
This goes for Warbosses in Nob units and Doc Grotsnik with anyone as well.
Interesting, I will take a closer look at the BRB when I get home today. Does this mean that Jacobus does not grant +1 attack and FNP to his unit in assault since he is in his own unit?
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2011/11/22 19:17:55
Subject: INDEPENDENT CHARACTER ATTACHED TO PALADINS.
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Furious Fire Dragon
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Several units have banners that grant CC abilities to the entire unit. So an attached IC never gains these abilities? I'm thinking specifically Dark Angels and Belial's/Sammael's upgraded squads with +1A banners.
Homer
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The only "hobby" GW is interested in is lining their pockets with your money.
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2011/11/22 19:21:59
Subject: INDEPENDENT CHARACTER ATTACHED TO PALADINS.
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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Pg 49, left hand column, 2nd paragraph under 'Independent Characters & Assaults', very last sentence.
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Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
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2011/11/22 19:26:55
Subject: INDEPENDENT CHARACTER ATTACHED TO PALADINS.
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Lead-Footed Trukkboy Driver
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Happyjew wrote:Pg 49, left hand column, 2nd paragraph under 'Independent Characters & Assaults', very last sentence.
says what?
don' leave me hangin' bro!
This thread just got interesting
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2011/11/22 19:27:19
Subject: INDEPENDENT CHARACTER ATTACHED TO PALADINS.
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Focused Dark Angels Land Raider Pilot
Mesa, AZ
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Homer S wrote:Several units have banners that grant CC abilities to the entire unit. So an attached IC never gains these abilities? I'm thinking specifically Dark Angels and Belial's/Sammael's upgraded squads with +1A banners.
Homer
"..all models in the standard bearer's unit...", Codex: Dark Angels, page 43.
"...the character assaults too, as it is part of the unit." BRB page 49.
IC are a model in the unit.
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“What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof.”
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2011/11/22 19:40:05
Subject: INDEPENDENT CHARACTER ATTACHED TO PALADINS.
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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I'm paraphrasing the whole paragraph here.
When attacks are resolved IC's are separate unit, even though they joined the unit. Once all attacks have been resolved, the character is treated as normal (from determining assault results onward).
This means the IC is only a member of the unit when making an assault move/react, and combat resolution.
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Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
Gozer the Gozerian, Gozer the Destructor, Volguus Zildrohar, Gozer the Traveler, and Lord of the Sebouillia |
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2011/11/22 19:40:21
Subject: INDEPENDENT CHARACTER ATTACHED TO PALADINS.
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Huge Bone Giant
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ToBeWilly wrote:Homer S wrote:Several units have banners that grant CC abilities to the entire unit. So an attached IC never gains these abilities? I'm thinking specifically Dark Angels and Belial's/Sammael's upgraded squads with +1A banners.
Homer
"..all models in the standard bearer's unit...", Codex: Dark Angels, page 43.
"...the character assaults too, as it is part of the unit." BRB page 49.
IC are a model in the unit.
I think he was referring to the next bit sentence:
"When the attacks are resolved, however, independent characters are always treated as a separate single-model unit. . .even though they have joined the unit."
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2011/11/22 19:59:51
Subject: INDEPENDENT CHARACTER ATTACHED TO PALADINS.
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Veteran Inquisitorial Tyranid Xenokiller
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Ok, so for resolving the attacks they are a separate unit, but if they are joined to the unit in any overall sense, they should still get FNP.
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2011/11/22 20:02:51
Subject: INDEPENDENT CHARACTER ATTACHED TO PALADINS.
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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The rule specifically state from the moment when you start resolving attacks to when you finish, the IC is not part of the unit and thus loses any benefits the unit has. Since FNP is resolved during the attack portion, he loses FNP.
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Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
Gozer the Gozerian, Gozer the Destructor, Volguus Zildrohar, Gozer the Traveler, and Lord of the Sebouillia |
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