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Sorry if I offend any cron' players reading this but there are some combos in the new codex that are a bit OTT and some rules that just need clarifying.I played my first game
against them the other day and my seer council got pwned by the c'tan initiative test and the wraith lash whips.The next turn the traveler necron lord turbo boosted in his command barge
and seized control of my falcon and bright lanced my other tank.And apparently scarabs roll for entropic strike first and THEN pen rolls.Lord then proceeds to sweep attack
your tanks and autohit regardless of movement and on back armor with 2d6 pen from a warscythe because of the way it is worded.I dont know how this will turn out personally
heck GW may even keep these legal otherwise FAQ NOW!

Sweep attack doesnt autohit. Best is a 3+ to hit.

Your formatting is REALLY weird. Put spaces after your punctuation, and don't space your sentences like you're writing a haiku.

On topic: That sounds like a few abilities that work well together. Your seer council shouldn't have gotten destroyed by the initiative test ability since they have high initiative. Sounds like bad rolls in that case. As for the other stuff, it doesn't sound particularly hard to stop. I don't think they have any actual Fast vehicles (might be wrong), and you could have probably just brightlanced the command barge from turn 1. It's an armor 13 open topped vehicle; it's not impossible to kill or anything. It honestly just sounds like he had one character kick a lot of ass against your army, and you had some bad rolls here and there. The scarab Entropic Strike or whatever is there so their other units can actually do damage to vehicles. It's an army built around synergy, much like Eldar.

Brother SRM wrote:Your formatting is REALLY weird. Put spaces after your punctuation, and don't space your sentences like you're writing a haiku.

On topic: That sounds like a few abilities that work well together. Your seer council shouldn't have gotten destroyed by the initiative test ability since they have high initiative. Sounds like bad rolls in that case. As for the other stuff, it doesn't sound particularly hard to stop. I don't think they have any actual Fast vehicles (might be wrong), and you could have probably just brightlanced the command barge from turn 1. It's an armor 13 open topped vehicle; it's not impossible to kill or anything. It honestly just sounds like he had one character kick a lot of ass against your army, and you had some bad rolls here and there. The scarab Entropic Strike or whatever is there so their other units can actually do damage to vehicles. It's an army built around synergy, much like Eldar.

A FAQ is needed especially regarding whip coils and the C'tan initiative test combo. Whip Coils knock Initiative down to one so then does the initiative test go against the now iniative of one or the original initiative? And crons do have fast vehicles now, but I don't think that the CCB is one.

Also yes, the Necron codex clearly states that against vehicles the roll for Entropic strike occurs before roll to pen but against units it happens after an unsaved wound. I don't think a FAQ is needed here.

It goes at I1, because it doesnt say "unmodified initiative" (unlike, say, sweeping advance)

There is no need to FAQ it, it is as clear as day once you remove this preconception that characteristic tests are by default unmodified; they are not.

If his command barge moved 6 inches he hits on 3s with the sweeping attack (3 hits) if he moved more he hits on 4s! It is very clear in the codex. Yes it is against rear armour so Anrakyr has S7 + 2D6 AP with his warscythe.

What needs to be FAQ's IMO is whether or not you can do sweeping attacks on models locked in combat!

Moreso if trazyns ccw does work on sweeps, there is still room enough for doubt. At least for one I know to use it in a tournament

Yes, because it is not a close combat attack, nor a shooting attack. It is a sweep attack.

raknosha wrote:Moreso if trazyns ccw does work on sweeps, there is still room enough for doubt. At least for one I know to use it in a tournament

Trazyn's weapon doesn't work on Sweeps, it specifies that you need to be locked in combat.


As for The OP, nothing you posted needs to be FAQ'd. It sounds more like you had a bad game, so you think they should "FAQ" these abilities so they aren't as good, which is just silly. You just need to find out a way to combat these abilities.

There are a myriad of issues that need to be FAQ'd, but nothing that you've posted.

The only thing I've seen so far that needs to be FAQ'd is where Canoptic Scarabs that have been freshly pooped out by a Canoptic Spyder can be put. As things currently stand, my friend is using three units of Canoptic Spyders to form a conga line of Scarabs across the table, resulting in a turn one assault.

Zed wrote:The only thing I've seen so far that needs to be FAQ'd is where Canoptic Scarabs that have been freshly pooped out by a Canoptic Spyder can be put. As things currently stand, my friend is using three units of Canoptic Spyders to form a conga line of Scarabs across the table, resulting in a turn one assault.

Doesn't need an FAQ, they're all placed at the beginning of the movement phase, meaning they're all placed simultaneously.

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Zed wrote:The only thing I've seen so far that needs to be FAQ'd is where Canoptic Scarabs that have been freshly pooped out by a Canoptic Spyder can be put. As things currently stand, my friend is using three units of Canoptic Spyders to form a conga line of Scarabs across the table, resulting in a turn one assault.

Doesn't need an FAQ, they're all placed at the beginning of the movement phase, meaning they're all placed simultaneously.

Simultaneously, yes, but in a legal formation, so you can have a 6 inch long conga line of scarabs extending from the spider which the unit can be 6 inches away from. One of the GW staff in my FLGS showed me how it was done and it seems like a very nasty trick...

Lord_Vader wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Zed wrote:The only thing I've seen so far that needs to be FAQ'd is where Canoptic Scarabs that have been freshly pooped out by a Canoptic Spyder can be put. As things currently stand, my friend is using three units of Canoptic Spyders to form a conga line of Scarabs across the table, resulting in a turn one assault.

Doesn't need an FAQ, they're all placed at the beginning of the movement phase, meaning they're all placed simultaneously.

Simultaneously, yes, but in a legal formation, so you can have a 6 inch long conga line of scarabs extending from the spider which the unit can be 6 inches away from. One of the GW staff in my FLGS showed me how it was done and it seems like a very nasty trick...

Missing the point; you can't conga-line across the board.

PLaced at the same time, with each in coherency with the original unit. So no conga lining.

Even if you think it is "legal", it is never happening in any tournament I can think of in the south of the UK, from speaking to some TO friends.

I didn't mean to get a lot of ire from you guys, I was just saying what I was shown by a GW employee.

Its no ire, just pointing out that a) Dont trust GW employees with rules advice. That isnt their job, and they often play less "real" games of 40k than the average hobby gamer and b) when something looks too good to be true, it probably is.

AlmightyWalrus wrote: Doesn't need an FAQ, they're all placed at the beginning of the movement phase, meaning they're all placed simultaneously.

Oh right. Thank you sir, you don't know how many Vindicators you just saved.