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Does anyone think, like I do, that the Dreadknight will be used in other armies, ala Land Raider Crusader/Storm Ckicken?

I could see them abusing a popular model and making a more knightly version of the Dreadknight.

Before you debunk me, please consider Games-Workshops #1 priority (as it should be), making money.

No.

Primarily because the Dreadknight is, specifically, a Grey Knight invention. As even other Space Marines are not allowed to know of the existence of the Grey Knights Chapter or their operations, they would not be allowed to have access to their specialist wargear.

Epicwargamer wrote:Does anyone think, like I do, that the Dreadknight will be used in other armies, ala Land Raider Crusader/Storm Ckicken?

I could see them abusing a popular model and making a more knightly version of the Dreadknight.

Before you debunk me, please consider Games-Workshops #1 priority (as it should be), making money.

So why would they start putting the Dreadknight in other armies, then?

Just convert one to be a proxy for a dread in your BT army and throw an anvil at anyone who tells you that you can't.

I can see them expanding the storm raven to all loyalist marine armies next edition (like they did with the crusader from 3rd to 4th) but not the dreadknight. Don't you have to be psychic to use it? If so, that limits its fielding outside the GK.

I hate that model with a passion. It's so out of character and out of place in an Imperium army.

I really, really like the Dreadknight. Unlike the boxy Mr. Strong Dreads, it aesthetically looks and feels much more natural and fitting in a(ny) Space Marine army, as its more rounded arms and legs clearly mirror the regular Space Marine power armour. Not to mention that it has knees and decently-sized legs and could at least conveivably walk, perhaps even on uneven ground. The unbalanced Dreads couldn't, realistically, even lift a leg off the ground without going top-side. Money-grapping ploy or not, I'd love to have a variant Dreadknight (and Stormraven) for my Ultramarines.

You play Smurfs! Fething Hell!

Sure. They've been with me ever since this book.



Got problems with that?

Psienesis wrote:No.

Primarily because the Dreadknight is, specifically, a Grey Knight invention. As even other Space Marines are not allowed to know of the existence of the Grey Knights Chapter or their operations, they would not be allowed to have access to their specialist wargear.

And the L.R. Crusader was conceived by the Black Templar, and it was stolen and perfected by the Crusader/Redeemer variant that any army may now take. Are you aware the L.R. Crusader was made specifically for the Black Templars at first? Something no-one else had now EVERYONE else has.

Epicwargamer wrote:

Psienesis wrote:No.

Primarily because the Dreadknight is, specifically, a Grey Knight invention. As even other Space Marines are not allowed to know of the existence of the Grey Knights Chapter or their operations, they would not be allowed to have access to their specialist wargear.

And the L.R. Crusader was conceived by the Black Templar, and it was stolen and perfected by the Crusader/Redeemer variant that any army may now take. Are you aware the L.R. Crusader was made specifically for the Black Templars at first? Something no-one else had now EVERYONE else has.

That is kinda the necessary consequence of something being published somewhere first.

Codex Ultramarines in 1995 was the first to publish things like Razorbacks, Whirlwinds or Attack Bikes - then specific to Ultramarines. Now, all Marines have them. Just the way it goes.

Epicwargamer wrote:

Psienesis wrote:No.

Primarily because the Dreadknight is, specifically, a Grey Knight invention. As even other Space Marines are not allowed to know of the existence of the Grey Knights Chapter or their operations, they would not be allowed to have access to their specialist wargear.

And the L.R. Crusader was conceived by the Black Templar, and it was stolen and perfected by the Crusader/Redeemer variant that any army may now take. Are you aware the L.R. Crusader was made specifically for the Black Templars at first? Something no-one else had now EVERYONE else has.

No it wasn't. It was just introduced by the Black Templar Codex, but every other SM army was allowed to use them from the start. Unless you mean the fluff for it. But the model was always usable.

I agree with you epic Dreadknights would suit Templars better.

Veteran Sergeant wrote:

Epicwargamer wrote:

Psienesis wrote:No.

Primarily because the Dreadknight is, specifically, a Grey Knight invention. As even other Space Marines are not allowed to know of the existence of the Grey Knights Chapter or their operations, they would not be allowed to have access to their specialist wargear.

And the L.R. Crusader was conceived by the Black Templar, and it was stolen and perfected by the Crusader/Redeemer variant that any army may now take. Are you aware the L.R. Crusader was made specifically for the Black Templars at first? Something no-one else had now EVERYONE else has.

No it wasn't. It was just introduced by the Black Templar Codex, but every other SM army was allowed to use them from the start. Unless you mean the fluff for it. But the model was always usable.

No they weren't, other SM armies couldn't use them, as it wasn't in their codex, and if it's in the codex, it's not legal.

Wasn't it;
- the Templars techmarine who made the 'ajustments' to create the new crusader pattern who then sent his designs to the ad mech or shared them with other chapters for recodnition & to get 'codex approval' for the new varient?!

- other chapters got wind of the new design, and started retro-fitting their own.

- The ad mech come in an finally 'approve' the new crusader pattern, but by this time, a large number of chapters are already using it.



Going by the little bit of background in the dreadknight entry, it doesn't even sound like the ad mech know of it's existance... Plus considering like all grey knight tech there's psychic wards and such built into the thing, the templars likely wouldn't be too hot on the idea of 'witchcraft'.

I think it would be more in character if the templar got the option for something more akin to a modernised 'contemptor pattern' dread! Something that's about half-way between the size of a dreadknight & dreadnought that can carry a sword/shield and is covered in littany banners & purity seals. (with the mandetory bucketload of skulls as well)