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So last night I was playing my buddies Black Templars and my Scarabs got onto his land raider and mulched it down from AV14 to AV 7, I then asked him "When do my scarabs roll to penetrate?" and he had a baffled look on his face and told me entropic strike is their hit, they don't get to roll to penetrate.

We asked 2 of our other friends who were in their own game and they agreed "Entropic strike is the hit, there is no roll to penetrate" , I shrugged and played the rest of the game with this.

Then it got me thinking - what about harp of dissonance ? A str 6 shooting attack that will never get a chance to penetrate? Or a void blade ... a str 5 model can use that but it won't ever roll to penetrate? That doesn't seem right to me...

So just wondering, vote on the poll above.

Thanks guys!

ES is applied on a hit, but nothing says you can't roll to pen as normal.

You roll to penetrate as normal. Absolutely nothing states you ignore roll to penetrate, so you still do. It is also after you roll ES....

Its always people who are getting munched trying to stop the rolls to penetrate.

They also like to try and claim that the armour magically returns the next turn.

Effectively making ES useless.

It's pretty easy to follow...

20 attacks make it through. You immediately roll entropic strike, so whatever you're hitting is going to lose ~10 armor. Then you proceed as normal hitting the vehicle 20 times at its new armor value.

There is a reason it says the word immediately like three times in that section of the entropic strike rules XD


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darkslife wrote:Its always people who are getting munched trying to stop the rolls to penetrate.

They also like to try and claim that the armour magically returns the next turn.

Effectively making ES useless.

Well that second one, they technically at least have a leg to stand on. The 'remainder of the battle' phrase only shows up in regards to hitting non-vehicles. That said, there is no way to 'increase' a vehicles armor, and it explicitly states that it 'loses' 1 point of armor rather than 'is temporarily reduced' or something along those lines...


Cant wait for a FAQ to come out and clear all this up.

Thanks guys for confirming what I thought!

Like I said in my initial post, it seemed odd to not roll to penetrate especially with a shot like harp of dissonance that is str 6...