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So, just to clarify the name of this post my Necrons are known as the "coppercrons" at my local game shop so that's the reason for the naming of this post.. But anyway onto the meat of the issue.

My list is as follows after reading and writing down many upon many upon many lists.

Troops:
Necron Warriors: 36

Necron Immortals: 10

Elite:
Necron Deathmark: 10

Triarch Stalker:2

HQ
Illuminor:1

Necron Overlord: 1
Catacomb Command Barge: 1
Hyperphase Sword
Tesseract Labrinth

Heavy Support:
Annihlation Barge: 2

Canoptek spyder:1 + 2 additional
gloom prison:3
twin-linked particle beamer

This list comes out to roughly 1740 points, I can go up to 2k if needed, but I'd prefer to only cap out at 1750. This list (at least from what I can see first hand) can take out armies that have a lot of mechanical doo-hickies but for swarms it's lacking.. Really bad...

Any suggestions?

Don't know much about it yet, Still trying to figure out the necron codex myself.

Why do you have the Spyders if you have no Scarabs starting out. Seems like a waste to not have scarabs starting out. The Spyders thrive with the scarabs.

I like the Idea of the Stalkers with the Deathmarks. Can be a nasty combo from what I saw.

Not really understanding the warriors. Do you have 36 of them? Wierd number.

I guess it could work again don't know everything yet about the crons.

Your list is all over the place, and seems to have zero cohesion, or a unified function. The Wargear choices are horrible. It looks like you just rolled dice on wargear and unit choices, then stuck them in a list.

1. Max Squad of 20 For warriors, you can't have 36 in a squad. If you are running large squads on Foot, A Ghost Ark to support them, as well as an Orb and Overlord with Phaeron is very important to make the unit work.

2. What weapon are you running on the Immortals. If you are using Gauss Blasters, they really need relentless

3. 10 Deathmarks, is a ton. Do you really think your limited use sniper squad needs to be so big?

4. Running with standard Heatray on the Stalkers?

5. Why on earth, would you EVER take a Hyperphase sword on your Overlord? The Warscythe is SIGNIFICANTLY better, and has NO downsides. Especially if you are going to be making sweep attacks on the barge. Mind Shackle Scarabs are also much better than Tesserect, and cheaper.

6. Annihilation Barges are good, but you should try to run at least two of them.

7. Spyders are pointless without scarabs. You must create bases into an existing swarm, so you are paying for part of the model you'll never use, if you don't have Scarabs. Not to mention, I don't see why you wouldn't take Scarabs, they are the best unit in our codex.

Sorry to say, but this list will get torn apart, by just about anything.

@balsak_da_mighty

I guess it could work again don't know everything yet about the crons.

So why are you giving list advice?


EDITS: Cleaning up spelling.

I am not a big fan. Basically your warriors will either stand still and shoot, or move and shoot right before they are assaulted. If your give them a overlord with phaeron this makes them much more useful(they can move and shoot at full range, plus shoot and assault). Also if you give a overlord a war scythe and mindshackle scarabs you can deal with MC and lone IC pretty easily. I would drop the spyders without scarabs and the command barge without a war scythe. A hyper phase sword just won't cut it when paired with a command barge, you really need a war scythe, then you can take out anything. I do like stalkers with TL cannons just because they have a better chance of hitting(thus giving everything TL weapons that shoot at that target) and they can shoot farther. I have tried deathmarks and have mixed feelings about them, not really sure how to play them yet, probably just foot slogging unless you want a distraction unit for the enemy to shoot at.

@ Sasori: Because it is my right to. Why are you?

I seem to have the same advice about the spyders as you so I guess I did something right. hum? I wonder?

Sasori wrote:Your list is all over the place, and seems to have zero cohesion, or a unified function. The Wargear choices are horrible. It looks like you just rolled dice on wargear and unit choices, then stuck them in a list.

1. Max Squad of 20 For warriors, you can't have 36 in a squad. If you are running large squads on Foot, A Ghost Ark to support them, as well as an Orb and Overlord with Phaeron is very important to make the unit work.

2. What weapon are you running on the Immortals. If you are using Gauss Blasters, they really need relentless

3. 10 Deathmarks, is a ton. Do you really think your limited use sniper squad needs to be so big?

4. Running with standard Heatray on the Stalkers?

5. Why on earth, would you EVER take a Hyperphase sword on your Overlord? The Warscythe is SIGNIFICANTLY better, and has NO downsides. Especially if you are going to be making sweep attacks on the barge. Mind Shackle Scarabs are also much better than Tesserect, and cheaper.

6. Annihilation Barges are good, but you should try to run at least two of them.

7. Spyders are pointless without scarabs. You must create bases into an existing swarm, so you are paying for part of the model you'll never use, if you don't have Scarabs. Not to mention, I don't see why you wouldn't take Scarabs, they are the best unit in our codex.

Sorry to say, but this list will get torn apart, by just about anything.

@balsak_da_mighty

I guess it could work again don't know everything yet about the crons.

So why are you giving list advice?


EDITS: Cleaning up spelling.

basically everything this guy said, your list really does lack any kind of cohesion

balsak_da_mighty wrote:@ Sasori: Because it is my right to. Why are you?

I seem to have the same advice about the spyders as you so I guess I did something right. hum? I wonder?

So, you think it's ok to give advice on a subject you don't know that well?

I think its ok to give my advice. I made it known that I was not as well versed in the codex as someone else might be. What he does with your, mine or someone elses advice is totally up to the OP'er.

I do however think it is wrong to criticise someone for trying to help. Why do you feel the need to tell me other wise?

balsak_da_mighty wrote:I think its ok to give my advice. I made it known that I was not as well versed in the codex as someone else might be. What he does with your, mine or someone elses advice is totally up to the OP'er.

I do however think it is wrong to criticise someone for trying to help. Who do you feel the need to tell me other wise?

I think it's wrong to try to give advice, on something you don't know well. A lot of times people end up "hurting" with their "Advice" more than helping. Someone who admits they don't know the subject they are giving advice on, would probably be better served for to the benefit of everyone, to only give advice on subjects he knows well.

Ok your opinion. I don't think my advice was bad. I didn't give him advice on everything as like I said I didn't know it. The things I did know I gave my opinion on. And lets face it, this is all opinions after all.

Again I seemed to know alittle about it as I gave the same advice on the spyders as you did. Them being in there for no reason. So I feel I am justified.

balsak_da_mighty wrote:Ok your opinion. I don't think my advice was bad. I didn't give him advice on everything as like I said I didn't know it. The things I did know I gave my opinion on. And lets face it, this is all opinions after all.

Again I seemed to know alittle about it as I gave the same advice on the spyders as you did. Them being in there for no reason. So I feel I am justified.

Not really understanding the warriors. Do you have 36 of them? Wierd number.

How do you justify not knowing he max squad size of one of the Troops choices, for the codex you are trying to give advice on?

Don't think just because you managed to get something right, makes giving out your ill-informed advice justified.

Ok you are blowing that out of proportion. I wanted to know how he had it set up. He could have been making it simple by saying he had 36 warriors in his army. I know they can only have 20 in a squad. So I guess my mistake.

I don't think that I "got something right" as giving my "ill-formed advice" justified. But I do apparently have the right advice to give. But who cares?

I do however feel that it does give me some justification that I am not as dumb as you think I am. I am also well aware that I have a right to give my opinion no matter what you think. Whether I tell him he is doing the right thing or the wrong thing. There are other to give there opinions and he is the one that is going to make the ultimate choice and choose what he wants to take from all the advice he gets. Just because you are supposed to know it all doesn't mean your advice is all mighty powerful. So I think you need to get of your high horse and mind your own business. Thank you for an interesting discusion. I rather enjoyed it. I bid you good night and good luck.

balsak_da_mighty wrote:Ok you are blowing that out of proportion. I wanted to know how he had it set up. He could have been making it simple by saying he had 36 warriors in his army. I know they can only have 20 in a squad. So I guess my mistake.

I don't think that I "got something right" as giving my "ill-formed advice" justified. But I do apparently have the right advice to give. But who cares?

I do however feel that it does give me some justification that I am not as dumb as you think I am. I am also well aware that I have a right to give my opinion no matter what you think. Whether I tell him he is doing the right thing or the wrong thing. There are other to give there opinions and he is the one that is going to make the ultimate choice and choose what he wants to take from all the advice he gets. Just because you are supposed to know it all doesn't mean your advice is all mighty powerful. So I think you need to get of your high horse and mind your own business. Thank you for an interesting discusion. I rather enjoyed it. I bid you good night and good luck.

Ok you are blowing that out of proportion. I wanted to know how he had it set up. He could have been making it simple by saying he had 36 warriors in his army. I know they can only have 20 in a squad. So I guess my mistake.

You never clarified, or made your intentions clear.

I don't think that I "got something right" as giving my "ill-formed advice" justified. But I do apparently have the right advice to give. But who cares?

People who give out good advice that get drowned out by bad advice care. People that get terrible advice, then get it blown up in their face care. As I've stated before, admitting you don't know something well, means you probably shoulden't give advice on the subject. Yes you have the right to, but that doesn't mean you should exercise that right.

I do however feel that it does give me some justification that I am not as dumb as you think I am. I am also well aware that I have a right to give my opinion no matter what you think.

For starters, I never called you dumb. All I said, is that you are better off giving advice on something you know about, rather than something you don't. If you have to give the addendum that "I guess it could work again don't know everything yet about the crons."Then it is probably best not to give advice about it. I have all the codexes, and I know them very well, but I don't give advice on armies I don't play.

Whether I tell him he is doing the right thing or the wrong thing. There are other to give there opinions and he is the one that is going to make the ultimate choice and choose what he wants to take from all the advice he gets.

Your right, the OP is the person in the end that makes the decision. However, that has zero bearing on the discussion at hand.

Just because you are supposed to know it all doesn't mean your advice is all mighty powerful.

I've also never said that "My advice is all powerful" I gave my advice, and commented on your statement. This is the point of this section of the forum. I don't know where you are getting "All powerful" from.

So I think you need to get of your high horse and mind your own business.

I have a right to comment, about yours and others statements on a public forum. There is no "Minding my own business." If you don't like the possibility that someone will disagree with you, or comment on something you've said, then why are you posting on a public forum?

Question: How is this advice?

Blap is right, less fighting more tactics. Have to make necrons as over powerful as possable.

Onto the list.

Warriors max per unit is 20 as it's been stated and if you're gonna run big squads get a lord or overlord in there with a orb and put a ghost ark next to it (optional)

Deathmarks are limited to what they can do, don't rely on them too much. Are you planning to deepstrike them or deploy them?

Illuminor is an interesting Hq choice, not the best in the codex due to his randomness but then again this list isn't competitive. Tell me how he does for you in battle, I'm curious.

Overlord NEEDS a warscythe as stated earlier in the thread, Sasori has pretty much summed up most of the flaws I'm just adding my 2 cents.

Spyders don't fit with the list as there's no scarabs, add scarabs or just remove them and add some useful units.

A big issue I see here is no Crypteks, then again it might just be me who loves having str 8 shots with solar pulse. Do consider getting a royal court in to give help to your squads, they're very effective.
As for anti swarm try Tremorstaves to slow them down or get some ghost arks to protect your units in and add a bit more fire power.

Hope I've helped - Ben.

Sasori wrote:

1. Max Squad of 20 For warriors, you can't have 36 in a squad. If you are running large squads on Foot, A Ghost Ark to support them, as well as an Orb and Overlord with Phaeron is very important to make the unit work.

2. What weapon are you running on the Immortals. If you are using Gauss Blasters, they really need relentless

3. 10 Deathmarks, is a ton. Do you really think your limited use sniper squad needs to be so big?

4. Running with standard Heatray on the Stalkers?

5. Why on earth, would you EVER take a Hyperphase sword on your Overlord? The Warscythe is SIGNIFICANTLY better, and has NO downsides. Especially if you are going to be making sweep attacks on the barge. Mind Shackle Scarabs are also much better than Tesserect, and cheaper.

6. Annihilation Barges are good, but you should try to run at least two of them.

7. Spyders are pointless without scarabs. You must create bases into an existing swarm, so you are paying for part of the model you'll never use, if you don't have Scarabs. Not to mention, I don't see why you wouldn't take Scarabs, they are the best unit in our codex.

(Answering in numerical order)

1: I read the codex wrong on that part, I'll change things around.

2: Most likely tesla

3:I was planning on moving them as two groups so they'd cover more of the field but I just realized they'd probably count as two elite choices instead of one. So this idea will be re-vamped.

4: Yes, why take away such a good weapon?

5: Changed

6: I did say I was running two.

7: I didn't put scarabs in right off the bat due to points. Plus my initial idea for the spiders was to lay back and protect the barges with their anti-psychic power abilities and their monstrous creature strengths -I have a secondary list I'm poking at that includes scarabs with spiders, so please do not assume I'm disregarding them entirely.