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Well this is sort of embarrassing, asking such a basic question like this. I just realized that my playgroup has probably been handling a certain situation wrong and I just want to confirm that we made a mistake.

The problem is about hitting vehicles in the assault phase. The way we've been playing it, if the vehicle is stunned or immobilized (so that it can't move) during the shooting phase, all attacks in the assault phase will automatically hit...regardless of what happened in the previous turn. For example, let's say you move your Rhino 6 inches on your turn. On my turn, I shoot it with a Meltagun and immobilize it. The way we've been playing it, all of my attacks in the assault phase would hit automatically. I assume this isn't true - it doesn't work like that. Can anyone else confirm?

Even worse than that, we used the same rule for close combat attacks in initiative order. If an initiative 4 model stuns/immobilizes the vehicle, an initiative 1 model will automatically hit. Take the example above. You move your Rhino 6 inches. I assault it on my turn using several Krak grenades and a power fist. At initiative 4, one of the krak grenades stuns the vehicle (so it can't move). The way we've been playing, all of the power fist attacks (initiative 1) would hit automatically. Again, I don't think it works like that. Is that correct?

I'm going to feel kind of silly if I'm the one who's wrong. I just read the official rule book and it clearly says "didn't move in the previous turn". Anyway, I just want to make sure we were doing it wrong before confronting my group. Thanks!

I believe if it is immobilized it can be hit automatically in assault. Probably wrong, but that's what I recall.

Initiative order seems to be illegal however.

if you immob it either in the shooting, or cc prior to that models Init you auto hit. Its covered in the chart.

Thanks for the quick replies! Could I possibly get a page number for that chart?

I'm looking on page 63 under "rolling to hit against vehicles". All of the target requirements talk about how far the vehicle moved on its previous turn. That's where my confusion is coming from.

Even if a vehicle is immobilized during the shooting phase, it still moved during its previous turn.

Which doesn't matter. You're not paying close enough attention to the rules. If a vehicle IS immobilized, it's hit automatically.

Oops, I feel dumb. I see that now.

Now, would a vehicle suffering from a "stunned" result count as immobilized for the same purpose? Basically, does a stunned result still confer automatic hits (no matter how much the vehicle moved during the previous turn).

Thanks!

No, as there isn't a provision for stunned as there is immobilized.

Stunned means there is nothing wrong with the vehicle, and it has already moved, so rules apply as normal.

If the vehicle was stunned during it's own movement phase then it will be auto hit in the opponents next assault phase due to be "stationary".

This was addressed in the BRB FAQ.

"Q: If a vehicle moved during its last Movement phase,
but is immobilised by the time a models initiative value
is reached in close combat, what roll is needed to hit it?
(p63)
A: It will be hit automatically."

And yes, if a model with a Krak grenade manages to immobilize a vehicle at Initiative 4, when Initiative 1 rolls around the model with a powerfist will hit automatically because at that point the vehicle "is" presently immobilized.

GreyChaos wrote:If the vehicle was stunned during it's own movement phase then it will be auto hit in the opponents next assault phase due to be "stationary".

The above is not true.

Vehicles without a weapon skill are hit based on how far they moved, or auto hit if immobilized, Being Stunned has nothing to do with it.