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How, in your opinion is the best way to build an objective holding honour guard? I recently ran a seven man tac squad (all I had points for) and sat them in a bastion with a libby. They were unbeatable until some nobz came and ate them. I want a unit that wont be eaten quite so quickly, but still able to pour out the boltgun (and in this case probably other, better things aswell) fire.

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well, honor guard can't hold objectives no matter what you do.
   
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Why do you say that? ik ther not troops, but i mean just keep enemies off

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Sharjah

The standard loadout for an Honor Guard is 4 Meltaguns and optionally Jump Packs. They will not handle a unit Nobz. In fact, nothing in the BA codex will handle a unit of charging Nobz in CC besides TH/SS Terminators.

If you want a gunline sort of unit that can take a charge, the closest thing would be (regular) Terminators. I can't recommend this, but be sure to give them a Cyclone launcher if you go this route.

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Well, as Mr. E. said, a HG should have jump packs making it easier to bring their weapons to bear and the chalice will help them staying alive. I'd give them 4 meltas (in a tank heavy environment) or 2 meltas and 2 flamers (for all comer's lists) or 4 plasma guns (when MC's are around).

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MrEconomics wrote:The standard loadout for an Honor Guard is 4 Meltaguns and optionally Jump Packs. They will not handle a unit Nobz. In fact, nothing in the BA codex will handle a unit of charging Nobz in CC besides TH/SS Terminators.

Ranged Weapons that can do it:
Missile Launchers
Lascannons
Meltas
Bloodstrike Missiles

CCW's that can do it:
Dreadnought CCW's
Power Weapons
Power Fists
Thunder Hammers

Units that can do it:
Honor Guard
Vanguard
Death Company
Most of our special characters
Assault Squads with Sang Priests/Librarians/Chaplains



As for the OP's question, here's how I kit out my HG when I take them:

(All have Jump Packs or are hopping out of a Stormraven)
Sanguinary Novitiate
Blood Champion (PW, Meltagun, Bolt Pistol)
Honor Guard (Chapter Banner, Power Weapon)
Honor Guard (Flamer, CCW)
Honor Guard (Flamer, CCW)

In this configuration, they have a Meltagun to pop open a transport to be able to assault the contents, plus they have dual flamers to slap some wounds on the target unit. Then, the Blood Champion and the guy holding the flag hit with 10 I5 S5 Power Weapon attacks on the charge along with 12 I5 S5 normal attacks. They have FnP, and whatever character they're attached to is also getting +1A, Furious Charge, and FnP. Good times.

Although, if you wanted to build a shooty and choppy Honor Guard unit that would make Nobz cry, you could go with:
Sanguinary Novitiate
Honor Guard (Chapter Banner, Power Weapon, Meltagun)
3x Honor Guard (Power Weapon, Meltagun)

With 4 S8 AP1 shots followed by 16 S5 I5 Power Weapon attacks on the charge, most Nob units in any configuration won't survive. Not much would in any army.

You've gotta ask yourself though, will the Honor Guard unit you build do better than Mephiston in that scenario or in your list? If not, take him instead. I've played TONS of games with him, and he kills on average three units before he dies from accumulated wounds. Otherwise, he's gone on to kill even more. He's got to be used correctly, but he's damn good at what he does. Also, like Mr.E points out, TH/SS Termies (which would cost you 225 points in our book) will do equally well against those Nobs too. Ultimately, just mess around with unit builds and find what works best for your play style.

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I would go for either 4 meltas and 4 flamers, they can take both, as your get out of jail free card.
Else 4 plasmas as most DoA need their shooting ability.

With jump packs they can just land right at the end and contest. If you need people to hang around and not die maybe even scouts would be good, as they are cheap and have long enough range.
   
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Yeah im a little too cheap for all plasma and melta doesnt really fit what i had in mind. I dont know if this is stupid cuz ive never run honour guard, but i kinda want a tactical honour guard if you will. Perhaps sterguard would be better for that? and what is with everyone saying all plasma or all melta? So expensive!

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