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HQ:
The Swarmlord
Tyrant Guard- Lashwhips (x2)

Elites:
Hive Guard (x3)
Hive Guard (x3)
Hive Guard (x3)

Troops:
Termagants (x10)
Tervigon- Toxin Sacs, Adrenal Glands, Catalyst, Scything Talons
Genestealers- Toxin sacs (x10)
Genestealers- Toxin sacs (x10)

Heavy Support:
Trygon
Trygon

Or

HQ:
The Swarmlord
Tyrant Guard- Lashwhips (x2)

Elites:
Hive Guard (x3)
Hive Guard (x3)
Hive Guard (x3)

Troops:
Termagants (x10)
Termagants (x10)
Tervigon- Toxin Sacs, Adrenal Glands, Catalyst, Scything Talons
Tervigon- Toxin Sacs, Adrenal Glands, Catalyst, Scything Talons

Heavy Support:
Trygon- Prime, Adrenal Glands
Trygon- Prime, Adrenal Glands

It does occur to me the two lists are similar but thats because the latter is my current list and i was wondering if i should invest in the stealers or stick with my current Army, lemme know what you think Dakka!

liking the second list but im not sure running the guants with only squads of 10 is a good idea

I only Take them because i have to, to take the Tervigons


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Besides, she makes more.

I don't know that an extra tervigon is strictly necessary, and I'm a big fan of stealers so I'll advocate those over a eave of gaunts. Also, I think they'll better support the trygons and swarmlord in cc, whereas the tervigon pair encourages you to sit back, having stealers and only the one trygon to me pushes the emphasis forward to all out attack, making the army work better all together.

Wow. I have run lists almost EXACTLY the same as these for a while now, even down to the wargear! Lose a unit of Hive Guard and a Trygon from the first list and replace it with Gargoyles (with Toxin Sacs) and Hormagaunts (with Adrenal Glands and Toxin Sacs), and that's what I ran at two cons out here in Colorado.

I like them both. No complaints here!

@reanimator, CC all the way i like the way you think hahaha plus the stealers will give me a mobility increase and let me take advantage of alien cunning for a change,
@dbgoldberg323 so you thinking thumbs up on the stealers? I hate not having those 20 points for the adrenal glands, that one extra point of S makes a real difference on cracking landraiders.

Feeder_of_life wrote:@reanimator, CC all the way i like the way you think hahaha plus the stealers will give me a mobility increase and let me take advantage of alien cunning for a change,
@dbgoldberg323 so you thinking thumbs up on the stealers? I hate not having those 20 points for the adrenal glands, that one extra point of S makes a real difference on cracking landraiders.

Yes, I like them. Don't give them AG because it's a waste. They should NOT be going after vehicles lol, this isn't 4th Edition anymore haha. Send them to wipe infantry and light armor.

The AG on Stealer ship saled and sank week two of playing when i realized it was USELESS. Now if only they would give them Grenades and let us keep toxin sacs and stay under 20Points a model i'll take 60 hahaha

In list 1 above would it be better to take catalyst on the lone Tervigon, or AG on the 2 trygons?

Feeder_of_life wrote:In list 1 above would it be better to take catalyst on the lone Tervigon, or AG on the 2 trygons?

Honestly? I do both usually. S7 on the Trygon helps you score an average AP roll of 14 instead of 13 (lets you glance, on average, against a Land Raider), and I5 is nearly required nowadays. Also, Catalyst is HOT. You can have the Tervigon cast it on the Swarmlord and his unit, or a Trygon who might be facing a lot of normal wounds (Orks, Nids, bolters, etc).

I'd have to drop AGs on the trygons, catalyst on the Tervigon, or take a genestealer out of each squad to fit 1850.

Feeder_of_life wrote:I'd have to drop AGs on the trygons, catalyst on the Tervigon, or take a genestealer out of each squad to fit 1850.

I'd drop a Genestealer from each squad. I will from time to time put 8-man Genestealer units in the list to fit other necessary wargear items in. Give it one try with 2x 9 Genestealers (TS) and see how it goes.

Agree on AG on the trygons and catalyst on the tervigon. You could drop a single hive guard to pay for it, as 3 in a brood is often overkill.

ruminator wrote:Agree on AG on the trygons and catalyst on the tervigon. You could drop a single hive guard to pay for it, as 3 in a brood is often overkill.

I disagree on the third Hive Guard being overkill. I can't tell you how many times I've needed the third model in the unit to actually wreck that vehicle or put that extra wound on that unit. However, multiple units of two is not a bad idea either as it lets you spread that S8 love around. Having three units of three allows you to wipe a lot of armor off the table, something that Tyranids usually have problems with. This will allow the Trygons the ability to focus on AV14 or infantry units, which is what they were designed to kill.

I havent been having issues with Handling CC, thats never been the issue even when i fought Death wing, i cant really risk the Hive guard because hitting far away units is the issue, Especially DE and Eldar. And a small problem came to my attention while looking at my Stealer list....only 2 synapse Creatures...Those hive guard are going to be lurking half the game...

Feeder_of_life wrote:I havent been having issues with Handling CC, thats never been the issue even when i fought Death wing, i cant really risk the Hive guard because hitting far away units is the issue, Especially DE and Eldar. And a small problem came to my attention while looking at my Stealer list....only 2 synapse Creatures...Those hive guard are going to be lurking half the game...

I can understand needing the Hive Guard for Eldar/DE, that's fine. As for Synapse in the first list, the Swarmlord's Synapse range is 18", and your Tervigon's is 12" (though he can extend his range to 18" by casting Dominion at the beginning of the turn).

I would love to see battle reports of your list in action. It might give me the encouragement I need to play my Nids again. I haven't run them in months.

Come on man, you know you wanna bring them back, its not like they cant be just as good as BA or SW! At Blobs Park in Maryland i saw a bug player Table a SW player in the finals! Renewed my love and faith in them hahahaha!

Feeder_of_life wrote:Come on man, you know you wanna bring them back, its not like they cant be just as good as BA or SW!

Actually, I know they can't be just as good as BA or SW. You're fooling yourself if you think the Nids codex is on par with the BA and SW codex. It's the general that makes the list/army, but if they START better off (BA/SW/IG/SM/DE/GK), then us Nid generals have to try a thousand times harder, and while I enjoy a more challenging game I don't enjoy bashing my face into the table to try and figure out how to win my games. It's a lot more fun to play other armies right now. I've played Blood Angels since 1996 (when I started 40k) and I'm thoroughly enjoying my new codex. Nids can wait 8 months until 6th Edition unless I see a reason to play them otherwise (like cool paint jobs, sweet lists, or interesting battle reports).

I've only been at the game for a year, i play my heart out with Nids, ive gone head to head with some really good SM, BA and IG players, IG was a lose but i played my ass off and only lost by one objective, and beaten a Vulkan player who placed top ten in a HUGE GT around here, and donky punched my friends BA more then a few times, maybe we have to try a bit harder to play, maybe we really need to THINK! Those brass balled Nid, Ork and Deamon players who enter Tournies beat The Metta Armies more often then you think. Its not what it was in 4th but Tyranids are a great Codex, just sometimes banging your heads against the wall is whats needed to win!

I'm not saying it's not possible, I have a 75% win ratio with 'em with the new book alone. I've beaten all the armies (except DE and GK) including a guy's Leafblower list. It's certainly feasible but it's not enjoyable. I love a game that's neck-and-neck at the very end, and with my Nids it's usually lop-sided one way or the other (if I have correctly swarmed my opponent then it's usually a win).

I dont know, i love a good challenge Personally

Feeder_of_life wrote: And a small problem came to my attention while looking at my Stealer list....only 2 synapse Creatures...Those hive guard are going to be lurking half the game...

So move them up with your Synapse.

That wasnt the problem. I mean when the synapse dies

Feeder_of_life wrote:That wasnt the problem. I mean when the synapse dies

cut 1 of the HG and make a prime +2 more gaunts. It wil help your synapse, and is an overall improvment in firepower. and doesnt really hurt your AT. 8 HG isnt much worse than 9.