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So in the Necron fluff, Imotekh is supposed to be quite handy in close combat but his rules don't really back that up. His cc weapon, Gauntlet of Fire allows failed to-wound dice to be re-rolled but doesn't penetrate armour automatically. He also only has three attacks.

In his most famous one on one combat, he hands Marshall Helbrecht's arse to him relatively comfortably. I don't have access to the BT codex and wondered whether this turn of events would be all that feasible in the game.

To put it simply: No. Helbrecht has a 2+ armour save, 6++ backup save from Bionics, 4 wounds and 4 attacks with a (master-crafted) PW. From 5-7 attacks the first round of combat if he gets charged, 6-8 if he charges.

Well, in the story, Imhotekh gets his ass whooped over and over but keeps repairing himself and coming back. It's one of those occurances where lore takes precedent over gameplay, as all necron none vehicles should have the reanimation protocols, with the higher ups having stronger versions of it, but that would be over powered as hell in gameplay so it can't happen.

Therefore, lore wise, it's really hard to keep him down given he's a Phaeron with the highest form of reanimation technology, able to "die" many times over with nothing less than sheer annihilation being enough to keep him down.

Flashman wrote:So in the Necron fluff, Imotekh is supposed to be quite handy in close combat but his rules don't really back that up. His cc weapon, Gauntlet of Fire allows failed to-wound dice to be re-rolled but doesn't penetrate armour automatically. He also only has three attacks.

In his most famous one on one combat, he hands Marshall Helbrecht's arse to him relatively comfortably. I don't have access to the BT codex and wondered whether this turn of events would be all that feasible in the game.

Just because he doesn't ignore armor saves doesn't mean he isn't handy in CC. 3 attacks at S5 that reroll failed hits and wounds isn't bad, and does a good job of displaying handy skill, just not that he wields a powerful weapon is all.

Witha 2+/3++ sv, T5 and 3 wounds, it's entirely possible to have defeated Helbrecht. The 3++ on top of the T5 really makes helbrecht's armor save ignoring ability not really mean much, while the rerolls the Stormlord gets helps push things along. It's still in Helbrecht's favor, but not as much as it would appear at first sight, it's a much more even fight than one would think.

Isn't the space marine only str 4 as well? So only wounding on 5's? Where Immotek is wounding on 3's?

runmymouth wrote:Isn't the space marine only str 4 as well? So only wounding on 5's? Where Immotek is wounding on 3's?

True, but you can give him furious charge in a command squad, making him S5, I6. Also, you're typically running the Accept Any Challenge vow, which will let him reroll all missed to-hits, not just the one from the master crafted power sword.

He has a 4++ from the Iron Halo, and a further 6+ from Bionics.

However, as Vaktathi pointed out, it could be a close fight if Imotekh is making those invulnerable saves AND gets the charge. While Helbrecht has some interesting war gear, he's incredibly over-costed compared to similar Space Marine Chapter Masters. In fact, you can make a standard marshal with a better load out for cheaper, except you can't really replicated his obscene number of attacks.

I would suggest it also being likely that Helbrecht is likely to have been in the thick of it already and is quite likely to have been wounded/similar already.

Are we not going to count him being possibly being wounded from Immotek's lightning bolts either? He does shoot lightning bolts out his arse..... (Anyone know what that's from?)

To be precise, Helbrechts is humiliated by getting his right hand amputated to remind him how owned he was by Necrons. Another famous Wardism to make Black Templar players happy.

Kroothawk wrote:To be precise, Helbrechts is humiliated by getting his right hand amputated to remind him how owned he was by Necrons. Another famous Wardism to make Black Templar players happy.

Black templars are a punch of pansies.... They aren't as strong as the noble Dark Angels.....

Flashman wrote:So in the Necron fluff, Imotekh is supposed to be quite handy in close combat but his rules don't really back that up. His cc weapon, Gauntlet of Fire allows failed to-wound dice to be re-rolled but doesn't penetrate armour automatically. He also only has three attacks.

In his most famous one on one combat, he hands Marshall Helbrecht's arse to him relatively comfortably. I don't have access to the BT codex and wondered whether this turn of events would be all that feasible in the game.

It actually re-rolls failed hits and wounds.

kronk wrote:

runmymouth wrote:Isn't the space marine only str 4 as well? So only wounding on 5's? Where Immotek is wounding on 3's?

True, but you can give him furious charge in a command squad, making him S5, I6. Also, you're typically running the Accept Any Challenge vow, which will let him reroll all missed to-hits, not just the one from the master crafted power sword.

He has a 4++ from the Iron Halo, and a further 6+ from Bionics.

However, as Vaktathi pointed out, it could be a close fight if Imotekh is making those invulnerable saves AND gets the charge. While Helbrecht has some interesting war gear, he's incredibly over-costed compared to similar Space Marine Chapter Masters. In fact, you can make a standard marshal with a better load out for cheaper, except you can't really replicated his obscene number of attacks.

The 4++ doesn't matter since Imotekh isn't penetrating his armor anyway. Nor does the initiative matter since, well, I2 LoLs.

runmymouth wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:To be precise, Helbrechts is humiliated by getting his right hand amputated to remind him how owned he was by Necrons. Another famous Wardism to make Black Templar players happy.

Black templars are a punch of pansies.... They aren't as strong as the noble Dark Angels.....

They're mustaches are going to kick you in the nuts