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Hey guys here my final list for next years battle cry
oh and i know its not great but its lots of fun and once I am close there dead Im using blood angles


HQ
Librarian -100

ELITES
Sternguard Veteran Squad (9man) -290
Power fist
Meltagun
Meltagun
Combi-melta
Rhino

Sternguard Veteran Squad (5 man) -125

Sanguinary Priest -65
Power weapon

Sanguinary Priest -65
Power weapon

Sanguinary Priest -65
Power weapon

TROOPS

Assault Squad (9 man) -257
Meltagun
Power fist
Rhino

Assault Squad (9 man) -257
Meltagun
Power fist
Rhino

Assault Squad (9 man) -257
Meltagun
Power fist
Rhino


FAST ATTACK
Vanguard Veteran Squad (9 man) -330
Power weapon
Power fist
Melt bombs
Rhino

Baal Predator -145
Heavy bolters

HEAVY SUPPORT
Devastator Squad (5 man) -145
Missile Launchers x2
Heavy Bolter
Lascannon

Tell me what you think
Thanks Warboss Conor

Would be fun to play with and against I'd say, well you probably won't enjoy playing hordes and just pray you get close enough with your melta guns for mech heavy armies

Drop Vanguards, do instead of a 9 man sternguard squad a 5 man in Razorbakc with lascannon, and add a tactical squad to claim objectives.

Sorry dude, but I am not seeing the point of this army using the Blood Angels codex. All you're getting in red Marines with feel no pain. The standard Marine codex would give you more, Blood Angels are a assaulting army, not really shooting.

You don't want power weapons on your Priests as you never want them in base contact for assault. You get them in base contact and they can be singled out and they will die, that means no more furious charge and feel no pain for you :(

You may as well just take 5 man Assault Squads as those extra 4 Marines are just costing you points. Switch the Rhino into a Razorback and now you've got fire power to support them.

Vanguard should not be in a Rhino in a Blood Angels list, period. They should have jump packs and be deep striking, thanks to DoA they shouldn't scatter much and should probably be able to always assault.

Single Baal Predator is going to get picked on, it's not that awesome anyway.

The Devs have too much wrong wargear. Lascannon for anti tank, but heavy bolter for troops. I would drop the Devs and get Predators, this will give you more armour saturation.

mercer wrote:Sorry dude, but I am not seeing the point of this army using the Blood Angels codex.

^This^

To illustrate this: Tactical squads are the better than assault squads in rhinos for Blood Angel armies. Tactical squads then are nearly as good in cc as well.

REally expensive VV unit imo :/ There is a thing to consider with these guys and thats overkill.

MFletch wrote:

mercer wrote:Sorry dude, but I am not seeing the point of this army using the Blood Angels codex.

^This^

To illustrate this: Tactical squads are the better than assault squads in rhinos for Blood Angel armies. Tactical squads then are nearly as good in cc as well.

No, Assault Squads are better all round period. In Rhinos the Assault Squads will get the Rhino for virtually for free (jump pack discount) and sport double special weapons. In assault the Assault Squads a better as well, just because they get that extra attack. Tactical have zero place in a Angels list when Assault Marines are better in every single way. You want a objective holding unit, then take Scouts, for under 100 points you get a good unit which can really hold some ground thanks to camo cloaks.

Is there any advice you're looking for in particular? You accept that the list isn't great, which is true, but that also implies you aren't willing to make major changes. So, what is on the table to change, and what isn't?

As for general comments, you have most of your army inside 5 Rhinos. It really isn't very hard to kill 5 Rhinos, and you don't have much else to draw fire or hurt the enemy until those Rhinos get across the board. Once you're footslogging, you're meat. A pretty likely scenario is that 2-3 Assault Squads make it across, but the scary Sternguard and Vanguard squads get stranded back on your side of the table where they can't do anything. Assault Marines with Priest support are scary, but they can't stand up to really nasty CC units like Nobz or TH/SS Terminators, and Wyches can easily tie them up.

mercer wrote:You don't want power weapons on your Priests as you never want them in base contact for assault. You get them in base contact and they can be singled out and they will die, that means no more furious charge and feel no pain for you :(

The problem is they have to get into base when possible. In with a 9 man squad more then likely they will have to get into base. So giving them a PW isn't so bad at least maybe they can get some kills in before they die.

Yea thanks guys, i test played this army against a pretty solid ork nob army and it won so im quite happy with the list

mercer wrote:

MFletch wrote:

mercer wrote:Sorry dude, but I am not seeing the point of this army using the Blood Angels codex.

^This^

To illustrate this: Tactical squads are the better than assault squads in rhinos for Blood Angel armies. Tactical squads then are nearly as good in cc as well.

No, Assault Squads are better all round period. In Rhinos the Assault Squads will get the Rhino for virtually for free (jump pack discount) and sport double special weapons. In assault the Assault Squads a better as well, just because they get that extra attack. Tactical have zero place in a Angels list when Assault Marines are better in every single way. You want a objective holding unit, then take Scouts, for under 100 points you get a good unit which can really hold some ground thanks to camo cloaks.

I feel you have just stated this as it is often true the tactical squads are not the best.

So you claim you get a free rhino without appreciating that a tactical squad in a rhino is cheaper than an assault squad in a rhino.
Double special weapons is great but then the rest of the squad will just have pistols and tac squads have a combiweapon and a heavy weapon.
10 man assault squad get a whole 7 st4 attacks more than a tactical squad, true this is better but is hardly going to effect of a round of cc.

A Tactical Squad in a Rhino, with no upgrades, costs 220, or 225 if you go with a Meltagun instead of the free Flamer. An Assault Squad in a Rhino costs 205, with dual Meltaguns 225. So, the points are pretty much a push, and it comes down to whether Bolters + Heavy Weapon are better than Bolt Pistols and 2 Specials.

However, it's all moot, because the real way to run Assault Marines is either 10 dudes with JPs or 5 in a Razorback. 5 Assault Marines in a Razorback is much better than either 5 or 10 Tactical Marines in a Razorback, which is why Tactical Squads aren't usually seen in BA armies.

I totally agree rhinos are not the choice for BA. Especially when all the other tanks are fast.

Much love, Fletch

Rhinos are ok in a Blood Angel list, and they are fast. It's not the Rhinos which are a problem, it's Tactical Squads. Assault Marines are superior, as you list yourself

You know just when you are about to write down 10 men in a rhino which can go 6'' and shoot, you'll be thinking that a cheaper razorback squad can go 12'' and shoot. In that moment even when you will be writing a rhino list to prove me wrong you'll end up with razorbacks