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So. I've been thinking about this for a little while, and I've been debating working on modeling one of the expunged legions. Prolly the II legion, just cause.. and I wanted to see if anyone else had gone down the same paths I was thinking, and if so, generate some more ideas/plot stuff to go with it. Basicly I'm rambling, but was curious if anyone else had deviated the way I am

The concept I've been working with, is based on the current knowledge of the Horus heresy throughout the imperium, and the absolute thoroughness of the expunged records. For the entire legion and primarch to be fully purged from the records, there must have been something so vile that it surpassed even the heresy in scope of problem causing issues. so with that i tried to think of what would offend the emperor so much, and threaten the imperium so much, that it would have to be crushed so swiftly, and the records purged...

So, I proposed to myself a concept, that maybe, the legion was housed on a sleeping tomb world. Yep. Here goes the omgwtf moment. Upon finding the primarch and reuniting him with his legion, the primarch set forward with forming his legion into a solid cohesive army, and while doing so, the legion stumbled upon the technology of the Necron's and the living metal of their armor. Taking this xenos technology, and adapting it to their own legion, the II legion's geneseed flaw came about. As the tomb world started to awaken around the legion, the overlords within, understood that before them, was the bodies they had been seeking since their entombment into the living metal. The primarch, understanding that adapting the living metal into the durability of the marines, could push them into nearly indestructable, started expirmenting with merging the necron metals into the astartes bodies as well.

What I havn't decided yet in this total fluff deviation, is wether the necrons were successful in returning their souls into the astartes, including an overlord being strong enough to take control of a primarch, or if the legion itself overwhelmed the necrons and adapted the xenos technology with their already augmented bodies, and in so doing, violated the emperors concept in such a way to invite his wrath.

so yeah... theres my between class foray into the fluff.. any thoughts or opinions?

I like it, I am really curious as to what would have an entire legion expunged...
It's always been that void where I have been hoping they would talk about it.

This is an interesting concept though!

I like the marines w/ alien tech, rather than the alien-possessed marines, myself...

How about a 50/50 fusion? No need for one to have totally overwhelmed the other.

theQuanz wrote:I like it, I am really curious as to what would have an entire legion expunged...
It's always been that void where I have been hoping they would talk about it.

Firstly, ask yourself whether the explanation would really be more interesting than the mystery?

Secondly, as an historical note, Rick Priestly's original, albeit nebulous, intention was to hint that the two missing legions had taken Horus' side at the Heresy's outset, only to later discover the truth of his fall to Chaos and return to the Imperial side. To have the shame of their treachery expunged from history was a reward, as much as a punishment.

If that's what happened...I am left disappointed, hahaha
The mystery is way better than that.

Even becoming half necron is cooler.

English Assassin wrote:

theQuanz wrote:I like it, I am really curious as to what would have an entire legion expunged...
It's always been that void where I have been hoping they would talk about it.

Firstly, ask yourself whether the explanation would really be more interesting than the mystery?

Secondly, as an historical note, Rick Priestly's original, albeit nebulous, intention was to hint that the two missing legions had taken Horus' side at the Heresy's outset, only to later discover the truth of his fall to Chaos and return to the Imperial side. To have the shame of their treachery expunged from history was a reward, as much as a punishment.

Yeah, that's probably the best explanation. However, with the expansion of fluff and the fuller exploration of the Horus Heresy, it's no longer viable. Back when Priestley said it, the Horus Heresy was just a bad thing that happened long ago. We didn't really know much about it.

The idea that they were traitors at the time of the Heresy doesn't make sense either. What could those two legions possibly have done that made them bad enough to expunge while keeping the records of the other 9 traitor legions? I mean, really, they'd have had to rename themselves the Sons of Jerry Sandusky to be worse than what the Luna Wolves or Emperor's Children or World Eaters, etc did.

What is most likely about the "lost legions", based on GW's questionable but current HH fluff, is that they were either corrupted long before the Heresy and destroyed. This would make sense about their records being expunged because at the time the Emperor was still trying to conceal the existence of Chaos. Dorn talked about the fall of the two legions as possible "warnings" that weren't heeded in one of the HH books. Whether the entire legion was destroyed or just the Primarch as the Space Marines redistributed is up for debate. Obviously people like to suggest that the Ultramarines absorbed them, but that seems rather dubious since we know the Ultramarines to have the only "perfect" gene seen remaining, and an influx of Marines from a different legion seems like it has the possibility of corrupting that. The Ultramarines' larger strength probably has more to do with the fact that Guilliman had set up a great logistical train for himself from which to draw new recruits and was a more methodical, strategic commander which afforded them lighter losses in combat. As to what caused the missing legions to be destroyed? Doesn't have to be Chaos I guess. But that seems the most plausible.

But yeah, I agree, keeping it a mystery seems more fun. I don't mind if the HH books make references to them as long as they are obscure. It just kinda builds the legend. The more we know about the missing legions, the less interesting they are. Hopefully they stay that way. Think about how old the "missing legion" fluff is and then think about how much else in 40K has actually survived as canon that long?

The expunged legions were the Rainbow Warriors and Space Sharks (the legions just being the original chapters from Rogue Trader), but they were butchered in the fluff due to their rather silly titles. You can make up your own Legion theories if you want though, but don't expect that people won't start yelling heretic at you whenever you field them. ^^

Wyrmalla wrote:The expunged legions were the Rainbow Warriors and Space Sharks (the legions just being the original chapters from Rogue Trader), but they were butchered in the fluff due to their rather silly titles. You can make up your own Legion theories if you want though, but don't expect that people won't start yelling heretic at you whenever you field them. ^^

If I remember correctly, both the Angry Marines (Desert Fangs, but then later made the angry marines) and the Reasonable Marines (Knights Inductor) legions were created by /tg/ as the expunged legions. Both have well-written fluff (Knights Inductor moreso than the Angry Marines), and the Angry marines are quite well known. no one I know would be terribly put-off by me fielding an army of Angry Marines for that same reason, although a Knights Inductor army would be a tad OP. The only problem would be in using a custom codex, like the one created on the /tg/ forum. It's well done, but not official GW, which would be the only thing keeping a player from using them in a legitimate tournament.

I don't think players will really mind if a player fields a supposed "lost legion" because those two legions give a great deal of leeway in creating your own chapter.

McNinja wrote:

Wyrmalla wrote:The expunged legions were the Rainbow Warriors and Space Sharks (the legions just being the original chapters from Rogue Trader), but they were butchered in the fluff due to their rather silly titles. You can make up your own Legion theories if you want though, but don't expect that people won't start yelling heretic at you whenever you field them. ^^

If I remember correctly, both the Angry Marines (Desert Fangs, but then later made the angry marines) and the Reasonable Marines (Knights Inductor) legions were created by /tg/ as the expunged legions. Both have well-written fluff (Knights Inductor moreso than the Angry Marines), and the Angry marines are quite well known. no one I know would be terribly put-off by me fielding an army of Angry Marines for that same reason, although a Knights Inductor army would be a tad OP. The only problem would be in using a custom codex, like the one created on the /tg/ forum. It's well done, but not official GW, which would be the only thing keeping a player from using them in a legitimate tournament.

I don't think players will really mind if a player fields a supposed "lost legion" because those two legions give a great deal of leeway in creating your own chapter.

I always thought the Pretty Marines the other expunged Legion?

Pretty Marines are more likely loyalist Emperor's Children.

Wyrmalla wrote:The expunged legions were the Rainbow Warriors and Space Sharks (the legions just being the original chapters from Rogue Trader), but they were butchered in the fluff due to their rather silly titles. You can make up your own Legion theories if you want though, but don't expect that people won't start yelling heretic at you whenever you field them. ^^

The Space Sharks didn't appear in Rogue Trader, they came later. And they were later renamed the Carcharodons because apparently that's less silly than the Space Sharks. However they were listed in both the 40K Compendium and the later as fighting in the Badab War, so couldn't have been expunged with the original legions. And there were only 12 Chapters at the time of Rogue Trader anyway. And when they eventually began to flesh out the Space Marines, it was only 7/20 that had survived to modern times instead of ten. But by that time GW had conveniently decided to never mention the RWs again, probably because they have an absolutely terrible and non-Mariney name. So I'm curious if that's where you derive this theory from.

Either way, no, lol.