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Ok so I was reading the new Necron Codex and I was playing around with the idea of 2 squads of 20 Warriors with an Overlord with Res orb and Phaeron backed by a Monolith each. I have had great success with my C'tan so far as not only a passive army buffer but a solid counter charge unit, lately the question has been what to give the C'tan to best compliment my army.

Then I arrived on the idea of putting the 2 monoliths in reserve, give the C'tan Grand Illusion and Gaze of Death, this helps break out of tar pits and regains wounds which is perfect for a counter assault unit. Grand Illusion allows me to re-deploy D3 units, averaging 2, into or out of reserve. So I decide to take (hopefully) my 2 Monoliths and take them out of reserve, then the special rule for the Monolith says "if a Monolith is held in reserve, it must arrive by Deep strike." You redeploy the monoliths after scout moves have been made, before the game even starts.

Monoliths deep strike up the board, game stars, movement phase starts on the board, use Dimensional corridor to bring in your 2 squads of Warriors, who are relentless, and shoot the crap out of whatever you want to. There is lots of possibilities with this combo if the rules are right.

Rip this apart, I want this to work.

All of this depends on when the start of the game is. The monolith must deep strike if it starts the game in reserve. therefore if the game starts on turn one this is illegal as the game hasn't started so it was never in reserve. On the other hand if the game starts from deployment or scouts the this is totally legal and acceptable.

So when does the game officially start?

Agreed, the whole thing hinges on the interpretation of "if a Monolith is held in reserve, it must ARRIVE by deep strike." so to me that means that at any time, regardless of game start or not, if after declaring it is in reserve I move it out of reserve it must be by Deep Strike.

Not sure right now, leaving it up to brighter brains.

To me, redeploy means you change the choice you made about how to deploy a unit. So you choose to deploy a Monolith in reserve, then choose to change that deployment. That doesn't mean it was held in reserve - it means you're not going to reserve it.

It works the same way as Eldrad's special rule.

Part of deployment is deciding to hold something in reserve or not, and so all you're doing is changing your mind.

Would have been pretty sweet if you could have done this, though!

I agree with the above - You're not arriving from reserves technically with grand illusion -- you're just altering your deployment.

Also have you tried to fit 20 models all within 2" of the monolith's glowy door? (Hint: you can't fit them all).

Oozi Hobo wrote:It works the same way as Eldrad's special rule.

It doesn't work much like that at all. Eldrad can't move things into/off of the board. He just lets you shuffle what is already there.

tetrisphreak wrote:
Also have you tried to fit 20 models all within 2" of the monolith's glowy door? (Hint: you can't fit them all).

QFT. The most you can do is 14-16 warriors, depending on how many you squeeze under the edge of the monolith and if within 2" is taken to mean to the nearer or outer edge of the model base. I go with 14 if I want to gate them in, to prevent ugly arguments.

Regarding the deep-striking thing, "arriving" and "deploying" are clearly not the same. The Ctan can redeploy, not make something arrive. So, you can pull something out of reserve and deploy it normally. Still pretty powerful, but not as horrifying as what OP suggests. Basically, redeploying it out of reserve means it never was in reserve, not that it now arrives out of reserve.

If you really want to make maximal use of this ability, do it on infiltrators originally placed in reserve. The only ones in the codex are the flayed ones. You can trick the opponent into not worrying about the flayed ones by placing them in the reserve, but then redeploy them out of reserve after his has deployed comfortably. Still, this is going to work only once on each player - after that, they will watch out for it, and the point will be lost.

Within is nearer edge of the base. As Mannahnin says when the designers say within they mean 'Within arms reach' not 'Within my belly'.

tetrisphreak wrote:
Also have you tried to fit 20 models all within 2" of the monolith's glowy door? (Hint: you can't fit them all).

I certainly can.

DarknessEternal wrote:

tetrisphreak wrote:
Also have you tried to fit 20 models all within 2" of the monolith's glowy door? (Hint: you can't fit them all).

I certainly can.

Pic?

rigeld2 wrote:

DarknessEternal wrote:

tetrisphreak wrote:
Also have you tried to fit 20 models all within 2" of the monolith's glowy door? (Hint: you can't fit them all).

I certainly can.

Pic?

Then your models must not be based on 25mm GW bases, darknesseternal.

Here is a photo of 16 warriors deployed to absolute max with a monolith glowy door. Keep in mind the door is only in the center of the face, so the 2" limit extends to just at the tip of either edge and extends in an arc around the front. All the outer ring models are barely touching (0.0000001") the 2" mark.