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After my latest tourny venture, i've been mulling over a few things and came to my game against a Grey Knights list. It was the only game I won (other two were draws) in that tourny, but it got me thinking, a lot of what was in there sounded awfully good, and when totalling up the points, it all sounded hilariously cheap, so me being my inquisitive (pun not intended) self decided to have a snoop around a few army lists, tactics threads and battle reports, because I couldn't believe that nobody was using the combinations available.

Naturally, I couldn't find anything, so I requisitioned the aid of a friend with the GK codex and set about looking for rules to back up the following points from the following list:

600pts GKs:
HQ:
Inquisitor w/ Something that makes him and squad BS10 against Psykers + 9 Mystics w/ Rhino

Troops:
5 GKTs w/ 4 Falcions, 1 Hammer, Psycannon, Psybolt Ammo
5 GKTs w/ 4 Falcions, 1 Hammer, Psycannon, Psybolt Ammo

Total - 600pts (Apparrently)

Well, first observation by my friend was that the GKTs cost 265pts each, leaving only 70pts for a squad that he worked out to cost 180pts.

Actual total - 710pts - Not looking good.

So, the points of contention:

1) All GK models are Ld10 - I wasn't having any of that, but after several people backed up his claim and with me needing to win this game, I buckled and didn't ask him to check the codex, time was off the essence. My friend found that the GKTs and the vast majority of GKs are Ld9 with justicars. Is there anything in the above list that makes all GKs LD10? If not, I could've escorted that unit off the table with tank shocking serpents.

2) The Inquisitor is BS6 and the Mystics have a power with the following rules:
'Range: Unlimited - Strength 10 - AP2 - Assault 1, Barrage, Large Blast' that does not need line of sight. My friend said Mystics have no power of the sort, but Psykers have something similar with a strength = to the amount in the squad to a maximum of 10, and an AP that decreases with every model to a maximum of 1. It is, however, Range 36", a PSA (so requires LoS), and is only Assault 1, large Blast, not Barrage. Was he correct? Is there anything available to the above list with a similar statline to the one I was provided with?

3) The Mystics (now known to be Psykers) can use the Inquisitor's BS to reduce scatter - I was skeptical, as i've never heard of a BS6 inquisitor. Friend says no, is he right?

4) The Mystics (Psykers) are Ld10 and PotW only kills 1 Mystic (Psyker) - I was prepared to accept this, until my friend found a passage that said Psykers use their own Ld, not that of any attached characters, and all psykers suffer the effects of PotW. Was he right? Does this mean that 1 PotW kills off every psyker in the unit?

I know I should ask to see the codex, but I couldn't afford to lose this game, and since it was the final game of the tourny, the list had been made and checked by the TO and other people beforehand, and nobody had raised a complaint (each of them more experienced than I, one of them probably the most veteran 40k player in the tourny) in his other games, I wasn't prepared to kick up a fuss and become Mr-Sore-Loser.

So there we have it, 4 issues, 4 responses from a second-hand source that contradict them, all I need now is confirmation from Dakka since I don't own the GK Codex (and I don't particularly want to, although it might become necessary if this carries on).

Don't get me wrong, i'm glad that I won, and i'm glad that I did it with Eldar of all armies, and that I was at a 110pt handicap without all the rules tinkering, plus i'm sort of glad he lost all three of his games, but i'd like to know so I can pass this information on to the TO, and perhaps push for a legible army list rule; if you don't have a legible list, you don't play.

1) No you are correct. Ld9 for all GKTs, otherwise the UCs for each squad are Ld9 or the squad is fearless and Ld9 (Purifiers)

2) Inquisitor is BS4, WS4 - so marine stats. GKGMs are BS6

Absolutely nothing in the codex has the stats you descirbed, certainly not mystics, who dont have shooting powers. Psykers can do a S10 blast, but not with 9 of them.

3) Your friend is again right. The Inq is NOT the one shooting, so they CANNOT use his BS of 4 (not 6)

4)Ld 8, like all henchmen, and 1 perils kills all of them

The guy was cheating you, horribly, and there is absolutely no way any competent TO should have a) let that through (he should know the codex basics such as henchmen, inqs, GKTs etc) while play and b) let the list through so over pointed.

Were they definitely falchions? Possibly Halberds, which you dont have to pay for? That drops them to 245 per squad, a little better....

Thanks for the reply and the confirmation. I'm going to try and get hold of the TO later on and discuss this, I had a feeling my friend was right with all of them, but I had to be sure before I pointed any fingers.

As for the halberds/falcions, he kept saying 'falcion' in the game, and i'm not sure how many attacks each GK had (I know the hammer had 3); I think it was 4 each.

Each GKT is the same as a marine Termie stats wise, so A2 basic, Falchions were errataed as giving you +1A, so A4 on the charge, A3 otherwise. Similarly the hammer is A3 on the charge, A2 otherwise.

Out of interest was this a local GW store tournament?

He only managed to attack vehicles in combat with the GKTs so each combat they were in was a charge.

No, it was an independant store. My GW rarely does tournaments, and usually they're 1.5k-2k, and only my Tau has a competative list at that level (and even then it's not as competative a list as it could be), so I don't really attend them at the GW store; that and there's naff all space in my local GW because GWHQ refuse to expand the store to even include the upstairs, beyond toilet facilities.

So no one else was seeing these obvious made up rules and cheating? I would try to get this fixed by contacting the TO and laying out the truth. I would also try to get this guy banned from any other tournaments as he is completely wrong on almost every level.

At least some of the confusion might have come from the previous codex. IIRC grey knights were ld10 there but that has certainly NOT carried over to the current codex.

In the old codex IC and Termies were ld 10 but justicar is still 9. Regular gk were 8s. Man I hate playing guys who run scams.