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I'd decided to ditch my other army and finally just go for the army I always wanted to play most. This is my very first DE army list. I wanted to really capture the essense of the Haemonculi running Talos, Scourges, Wracks, and Grotesques while being competitive at the same time.

The lone half-empty raider is basically around to provide any cover for the venoms, wrack raiders and if alive at the end of the game speed onto a objective for scoring. First turn would involve me going flat-out to drop the three WWPs of course. (Scourges, Talos, and Grotesques will all come out of the WWP) I really had to squeeze the points to get the Scourges in. They're really just in to fit the fluff and they have no upgrades: they basically just shoot infantry targets of opportunities with their splinter carbines.

Any thoughts?

2000 Haemonculi Coven List

Troops
9x Wracks w. Liquifier
1x Haemonculi w. Liquifier & WWP
1x Raider w. Flicker fields

8x Wracks w. Liquifier
1x Haemonculi w. Liquifier & WWP
1x Raider w. Flicker fields

8x Wracks w. Liquifier
1x Haemonculi w. Liquifier & WWP
1x Raider w. Flicker fields

5x Warriors
1x Raider w. Flicker fields

Elites
5x Trueborn w. 4 Blasters
Venom

5x Trueborn w. 4 Blasters
Venom

7x Grotesques w. Liquifier
1x Haemonculi w. Liquifier

Fast Attack
5x Scourges

Heavy Support
3x Talos w. Chain flails, heat lance
Grand Total: 1998 pts

Dunno too much about the Haemonculus coven style lists but I'll try and see if I can help some.

Your main problem is AT. You have 8 Darklight weapons...The 3 heat lances don't make up for it very well at all. If the Talos can manage to get at a vehicle in assault I guess you have something but they won't be coming till midgame...I don't even know if I really like the heat lances on Talos. Consider haywire blasters since Talos are slow and the melta sweet spot will be hard to get.

The Scourges are pretty much worthless without special or heavy weapons. If you want them, at least make them useful with blasters or heat lances. You need the AT. These guys can deep strike instead of using the WWP as they are jump infantry, you know.

Do you really need three portals for four/five units coming through? Drop one, probably. Scissorhand is something to consider if you have the points lying around after some changes.

Drop a Trueborn from each venom and get the extra splinter cannon. They're pretty much equally toasted once they lose their rides either way.

I don't really know about filling your Heavy Support will all Talos...I'm not really sure how good they even are, never used them myself but they seem pretty vulnerable since they have no inv save and the random attacks just irks me to no end. I'm assuming you're set on including these guys but I would really consider switching one/two of them out for Ravagers with DLs.

At least give those poor warriors a blaster so they can be semi-useful. You need the AT.

Your grotesque squad is pretty large. I don't think they need to be so big to stomp most squads around in an assault with furious charge. I think you can drop two, give their Haemy some scissorhands, and be fine. Lot of points saved. 20 str 6, intiative 5 attacks is pretty hefty. Especially after dual liquidations.

Heatlances are fine for Talos, since you should come within the sweet spot for it after coming out of the WWP, though I agree with above that you probably only need 2 WWP not 3. I also agree with dropping the last trueborn in each squad and adding the second splinter cannon

What are your scourges armed with? There is another thread on the tactics board that will help you decide how you want to arm them. You can deepstrike them, but you also have the advantage of being able to fly them out the WWP despite putting them as entering through deepstrike, keeping up the mobility

You may only have 12 darklight weapons, but you also have the heat lances and the monstrous creatures, whatever the scourges are armed with and the grotesques, S6 on the charge and a buttload of attacks (although saying this, they are btter with Urien to get the S7 on the charge). I think you need to upgrade your grotesques with an aberration to get the extra wound allocation and attack.

If you're going for a minimal squad to get the extra raider for the dark lance go with a minimum squad of wracks, they're cheaper than a minimum squad of warrior. OR you could add a blaster to the squad of warriors, which would help with the AT problem, but depending on your points availability it could go either way.

This is some great advice guys!

If I drop the 3rd WWP Haemonculi I'll save 95 pts.

I thought the two venoms loaded with 4 blaster trueborn was decent enough AT but I guess not.

I'll add blasters to the scourges and the lone warrior raider.

DorianGray wrote:I thought the two venoms loaded with 4 blaster trueborn was decent enough AT but I guess not.

I'll add blasters to the scourges and the lone warrior raider.

I run 3 venoms with the 4 Trublasters and 3 ravagers and 3 DL raiders. That's 24 lances at 1850. Sometimes, *that* isn't enough, particularly versus GK with 2 SRGunships, and 2 or 3 Psyfileman dreads. Parking Lots? Oy.

BrainDeleted wrote:Drop a Trueborn from each venom and get the extra splinter cannon. They're pretty much equally toasted once they lose their rides either way.

OMG, yes, drop the useless body, but golly-gosh, ADD the EXTRA Splint Can. That's what makes the venom one of the best units in 40k.

Yeah, only 4 BlasterBorn are needed. Saves you points on other things.

in a list like this, that relies so much on the Talos and grotesques (the wrack swill help nobody even with furious charge.) i would recommend the parasite pain engine, tossing out pain tokens to the talos. shave points on wracks to get more scourges.
The trubonr will be shot down, with so few to target, and them having to fly so close. Maybe try DL and night shields as a load out instead.
Shatter shard is a killer utility as well.