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How competitive are Mechanised guard at the tournaments level. I'm specifically referring to the Mechanised doctrine, where you have to take a chimera for each unit.

Btw, when they say each "infantry unit" has to take a chimera, does that include only troops, or hq and elites as well?

-AB

Hahahaha... oh wait you're serious...

I mean no offense but this honestly made me laugh since mechanized IG are among the most competitive armies/builds out there. It gives you a mobile, resilient and hard hitting army with very few downsides. If you like the idea of a mechanized IG army, then competitively is defiantly not a problem. If you look around the forum I'm sure you'll find some good examples of mech IG armies.

What I'm wondering though is if you are up to date with your codex. Doctrines only existed in the last IG codex, they aren't in the new one. So are you only referring to the idea of a mechanized army as a "army doctrine" or are you playing the old codex?

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Edit: I has te dumb. I can't grammar tu day.

Mech IG can be very competitive at a tournament level all you will need to remember is get them leman russ's and hydra's and lots of melta's in the veteran squads.

Also the answer to the other question is that you don't have to buy a a dedicated transport.

Hope that helps

Fire_for_effect: the latest IG codex I owned is the 3rd edition 40k IG codex. Is that still valid? Lol I read about doctrines from a codes lying around at a FLGS, I guess I didn't realize that it's outdated.

It's been 10 years since I played, but one of the armies that I played back during Armageddon was Steel Legion. So I've got boxes of about 8000 points of mechanized guard with Russes and Bassilisks. I just wasn't aware if they were still good. I feel like rip van winkle.

But yea, I should probably look into picking up the 5th ed codex.

-AB

The answer is 'extremely'

Ok that explains some things^^ Doctrines existed in the 4th edition IG codex. They don't exist anymore in the 5th, though there are plenty of options for a mechanized army. Try to get hold of the 5th edition codex, I liked it a lot and it's pretty nice for mechanized IG. Most people use tons of veteran squads with 3 special weapons in chimeras, HQ command squads with max special weapons in chimeras and then fill up the points with other assorted weaponry and that seems to be pretty effective. But, yeah, best is to get hold of the codex and then just play around with the options and see what you like most. There are plenty of good options for mech IG in the 5th ed codex.

Oh and welcome back to Warhammer 40k! Haven't seen a Steel Legion army in... I have actually never seen a Steel Legion army in real life

Wow - steel legion in that amount just layin around - I love it! Get back in the game, pick up the new 'dex (and 2 Valkyrie kits) and you'll be sorted. The best thing is, the codex offers solid list building with lots of variety. Its an easy and fun codex to build from, unlike the Nids (for me anyway).

Well IG sucks in general and they are not competetive as miniwargaming said

As one of the masters of Warhammer 40k said himself
http://www.miniwargaming.com/content/sit-paint-matthew

plus Imperial Guard is for the uncreative and unfunny

if I were you I would ignore Imperial Guard altogether and go play something more comepetative like orks or chaos space marines or tyrandis

plus orks have better fluff, they're funny and they're conversions look kooler

make a mech list and you'l face my waaaaaaaagh which will destroy your crappy chimeras
i wont even play against you cause I know you'll lose

I will GLADLY play this chump any day of the week. Shame he's across the pond...

Jamumools wrote:I will GLADLY play this chump any day of the week. Shame he's across the pond...

Don't know man. He sounds like he really know his stuff.
/end sarcasm
Not competitive? Really?


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To the OP:
Very. like any list, they have their drawbacks.
Get the latest 'dex. check out the Vendetta, Hydra and Manticore.
After you wake up from passing out, go nuts.....

alarmingrick wrote:

Jamumools wrote:I will GLADLY play this chump any day of the week. Shame he's across the pond...

Don't know man. He sounds like he really know his stuff.

Don't feed it, guys.

Anyway, yeah, Mech IG are quite competitive.

KhornePysker wrote:Well IG sucks in general and they are not competetive as miniwargaming said

As one of the masters of Warhammer 40k said himself
http://www.miniwargaming.com/content/sit-paint-matthew

plus Imperial Guard is for the uncreative and unfunny

if I were you I would ignore Imperial Guard altogether and go play something more comepetative like orks or chaos space marines or tyrandis

plus orks have better fluff, they're funny and they're conversions look kooler

make a mech list and you'l face my waaaaaaaagh which will destroy your crappy chimeras
i wont even play against you cause I know you'll lose

OP:
Mech IG kicks ass. Leman Russes and meltavets w/chimeras will give you all the firepower you need.

Fire_for_effect wrote:
Oh and welcome back to Warhammer 40k! Haven't seen a Steel Legion army in... I have actually never seen a Steel Legion army in real life

It seems like most people haven't.... I should take pictures. One problem I have is that there are a lot of options (like vox casters) that we didn't have back in 3rd, I think. I don't really want to modify my old models, so should I just add those options to my army list and then inform my opponent when we start playing?

-AB

ArmageddonBorn wrote:

Fire_for_effect wrote:
Oh and welcome back to Warhammer 40k! Haven't seen a Steel Legion army in... I have actually never seen a Steel Legion army in real life

It seems like most people haven't.... I should take pictures. One problem I have is that there are a lot of options (like vox casters) that we didn't have back in 3rd, I think. I don't really want to modify my old models, so should I just add those options to my army list and then inform my opponent when we start playing?

-AB

Alot of people don't use them. i'd suggest doing what you said for a few games. if you find them to be a good choice, then make some up.

edit: DERRR
If your troops are Meched up, they can't receive orders anyway! If you're going to do mech, i wouldn't bother with them at all.

what with the popularity of necrons now in my area along with enough night fighting lightning bolt toting and scarab farming groups suddenly melting parking lots left and right, I don't know where IG will stand in the next set of balancing act we'll see at the next tourny.

Also with 6th edition comming along in some 6-7 months, it'll be interesting to see where IG ends up by close of business next year

Very, very competative

alarmingrick wrote:

edit: DERRR
If your troops are Meched up, they can't receive orders anyway! If you're going to do mech, i wouldn't bother with them at all.

Maybe I should read the codex before worrying too much about random stuff lol. Btw, when people say "mechanized IG" do they really mean that everything is either a tank or chimera? Back in Armageddon, everything that the steel legion had was in a chimera including the command squad. But I'm looking at army lists here which are "mechanized" but there are still foot sloggers - esp HQ and elites.

ArmageddonBorn wrote:

alarmingrick wrote:

edit: DERRR
If your troops are Meched up, they can't receive orders anyway! If you're going to do mech, i wouldn't bother with them at all.

Maybe I should read the codex before worrying too much about random stuff lol. Btw, when people say "mechanized IG" do they really mean that everything is either a tank or chimera? Back in Armageddon, everything that the steel legion had was in a chimera including the command squad. But I'm looking at army lists here which are "mechanized" but there are still foot sloggers - esp HQ and elites.

Yeah, pretty much everything goes in chimeras. Its pretty common to stick your troops and hq in chimeras and drive them around. Not too much elite is used in IG 5th ed. The only real infantry exception I can think of is heavy weapon teams, those usually just sit in back and blast away.

Not at all ... you better off with mech-ed tau

sudojoe wrote:what with the popularity of necrons now in my area along with enough night fighting lightning bolt toting and scarab farming groups suddenly melting parking lots left and right, I don't know where IG will stand in the next set of balancing act we'll see at the next tourny.

Also with 6th edition comming along in some 6-7 months, it'll be interesting to see where IG ends up by close of business next year

Mech IG an survive necrons, as well as grey knights, blood angels, space wolves, and codex marines. IG has the proper blast and flame templates to deal with scarab swarms, and full reserving the entire army with an astropath for +1 to reserves counters the worst of necron turn 1 no moves shenanigans and/or free lightning attacks. The only change necrons made to the meta game for IG is they really sell the benefits of the astropath.

See Imotekh in the necron list=choose to go 2nd and full reserve everything. Hyperlogical strategy can't steal the initiative against orks and doesn't work if the necrons already go first. Necrons play out 2 turns without you, 2/3 of the IG army comes in on turn 2 and blasts necrons, then necrons start can begin to shoot in turn 3 after Imotekh makes or fails a 2+, 3+, and 4+ roll to continue the nightfighting rules/storm going.

The same goes for Orikan + C'tan. Mechanized armies are better off going into full reserve than remaining stationary for a full turn.

IG is a very adaptable codex. If necron HQs have you worried just counter them with an astropath.

GW probably isn't going to kill off the idea of a mechanized army, IG is their most expensive army to purchase, but if they do make foot sloggers better in 6th guess who can field lots of cheap footsloggers?.

short answer is very competitive . I play one and it does well. I have never been to a tournament and not seen a IG mech list.

None the less i can't tell if your trolling...