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Didn't see a thread of this so I figured it was worth bringing up due to the original thread when the event started.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/12/03/justice/new-york--mcdonalds-beating/index.html?hpt=hp_t3

New York (CNN) -- A fast-food worker whose run-in with two unruly customers was captured on cell phone video last month will not be indicted on assault charges, prosecutors said Saturday.

A grand jury voted against indicting Rayon McIntosh, who was seen allegedly swinging a metal object against two patrons at a McDonald's restaurant in Manhattan's Greenwich Village.

He had been charged with felony assault, according to Joan Vollero, spokeswoman for the Manhattan district attorney's office.

The grand jury reviewed evidence and testimony over 11 days, said Vollero.

The incident occurred at the restaurant on West 3rd Street in the early morning of October 12, and seemed to begin when the cashier questioned a $50 bill the women gave him, according to the video.

The two women responded by hurling obscenities at McIntosh. One of them then appeared to reach over the counter and slap his face, the video showed.

From there, one woman was seen climbing over the counter, sending the cashier running toward the kitchen area. The other woman is then seen walking around to join her friend.

The cashier reappears with what police described as a metal object and repeatedly takes swings at the women.

Restaurant patrons can be heard screaming for him to stop, while other employees are seen trying to intervene.

The video, one minute and 10 seconds long, shows the cashier taking swings at the women as many as 10 times as they lie behind the counter.

"Stop! Stop!" one woman screams. "Stop it! Call the cops!"

The two women suffered lacerations to their head and face and were taken to a hospital, police said. One of the women suffered a fractured skull and a broken arm, according to a complaint filed by the DA's office.

Authorities identified the women as Denise Darbeau and Rachael Edwards, who authorities say each face pending charges of menacing, criminal trespassing and disorderly conduct.


Personally, I'm happy it ended this way. Did he use excessive force? Perhaps, but I'd much rather him "winning" this instead of the two that tried to jump him and got a skull full of bushido.

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A bit too much over the top. Why were the charges dropped? If anything both should be charged.

   
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I haven't the foggiest. I would imagine on the grounds of defending oneself or the like. I mean the guy did prison time and was holding a job at mcdonalds. Looks to me like he was making a valiant attempt to reintegrate into society. Then some trouble makers up and try to start something. They just ended up picking the worst person to do it towards.


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Justice. Sure he went over the top but they brought it on themselves. This just teaches the lesson that even in our namby pamby society there can be consequences for your actions, namely lacerations and a fractured skull.

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I'm fine with this. He tried to defend against two very aggressive attackers whom had already struck him and had climbed over the counter to continue the confrontation.

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So what about the $50? Was it found to be real?

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In the end, it doesn't matter. They're supposed to give any potentially counterfeit money back, not take it and hold it, so by questioning it and not taking it, he did his legal obligation there.

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This is stupid. The women slapped him and jumped over the counter to further the attack. He then acts in self defence by fighting them with a metal pole, and now he's been charged with assaulting them.

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They shoulda used a real 50.

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Whilst I agree he proberly did use excessive force, he was attacked first and then pursued by those two women and I think they got what they deserved for acting in such a horrid manner. He may have had the right to defend himself but I think he took it a bit too far.

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I don't...

First rule in self defense for civilians, there is no such thing as excessive force.

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I thought the first rule was retreat, which he certainly did, and THEN there's no "excessive."

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Melissia wrote:I don't...

First rule in self defense for civilians, there is no such thing as excessive force.


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Melissia wrote:I don't...

First rule in self defense for civilians, there is no such thing as excessive force.


I wish that was legally true.

Edit: I realize that I look in the off-topic forums for stupid news like this too much...I should stop that (go on, ask me why it's stupid )

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LumenPraebeo wrote:
Melissia wrote:I don't...

First rule in self defense for civilians, there is no such thing as excessive force.


I wish that was legally true.

Edit: I realize that I look in the off-topic forums for stupid news like this too much...I should stop that (go on, ask me why it's stupid )

It's true to a point...
AFAIK context is very important. If they are unarmed killing them is too much but if they have a gun/knife killing them is probably fine... legally anyway.
That said i have alimited understanding of these things so it could be wrong.

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I'm personally ok with the outcome. Clearly the women were the aggressors and heck even I might have tried to strike back at them. I can't believe they actually tried to slap him...I bet they thought they were in deep trouble for having a fake 50 dollar bill...Any news as to whether it was actually real?
   
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He should get another gold star.
   
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Skarwael wrote:He should get another gold star.

I'd say two Gold Stars...he fended off two attackers

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The guy did lose his job though, which kinda sucks. And he might be blackballed from fastfood for this, which also kinda sucks for him.

God, I hope he doesn't become anyone in tech support... it will be a few days MAX before he starts killing customers.
   
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Melissia wrote:I don't...

First rule in self defense for civilians, there is no such thing as excessive force.


Its only excessive if the threat has stopped being a threat, generally to the standard of a "reasonable person."

Should have been no billed right off the bat.


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AustonT wrote:I thought the first rule was retreat, which he certainly did, and THEN there's no "excessive."


Heck no, only in namby pamby girly states like New York or France is that a requirement. I think we're all agreed this is the appropriate standard

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He absolutely leathers the first one in the face with that pole between 32 - 33 seconds.
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I have no sympathy for these woman, I'm surprised they weren't known to the Police.

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There should be commentary and captioning in this video.
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It's like the directors cut.

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Funny how its the women that are calling for the police when they are the ones who initiated the confrontation.

The guy probably should have laid off after they stopped chasing him, but thats more of a semantic opinion. Still its good he clocked em for that.



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Melissia wrote:I don't...

First rule in self defense for civilians, there is no such thing as excessive force.


I wish that was legally true.

Edit: I realize that I look in the off-topic forums for stupid news like this too much...I should stop that (go on, ask me why it's stupid )


Its up to interpertaion, and largely the personal opinion of the Judge reviewing the case. Some judges would say you could kill the attacker in self defense, others will lock you up if you so much as break one of their fingernails.

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Grey Templar wrote:Funny how its the women that are calling for the police when they are the ones who initiated the confrontation.

it's actually a fat white chick in a black sweater, and a pink shirt IIRC. she reminds me of a caricature of miss piggy.

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You see, to Auston, everyone is a Death Star; there's only one way you can take it and that's through a small gap at the back.

Come check out my Blood Angels,Crimson Fists, and coming soon Eldar
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