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Just curious, why are Trukks so much more popular? I mean, Battle Wagons serve a two fold purpose, as a Tank and Troop transport. I would say if you compared it to modern terms, a Trukk would be equivalent of... well... a truck. Perhaps a light personel vehicle like a Jeep.

Wheras a Battle Wagon would be more along the lines of a APC. I think the fact that it is more versetile makes up the points. It could be fielded as a traditional tank, or as a personel carrier. As a personel carrier it is superior carrying up to 20 models.

My question is, how many of you Boyz prefer Trukks and how many prefer Battle Wagons? What loadouts do you use for each?

I never knew the two were in competition, to be honest. They generally serve entirely different purposes.

Trukks are ideally for getting a unit somewhere *really* fast. Their price allows you to have multiples of them, potentially all hitting the enemy lines at disgorging their cargo at the same time in turn 2.

Battlewagons are the mobile bunkers. You can use them to transport a larger and/or more expensive and killy unit across the battlefield, albeit much slower. You can use it as a gunwagon for lootas - in which case it would remain stationary, literally just serving as a bunker. You could use it as a burna wagon, fill it up with burnas and mix with the open topped rules for hilarious shenanigans. Or, most importantly for me at least, use it as a mobile shield dispenser to house that ever so important KFF Mek.

Considering the poor ballistic skill of orks, I would certainly refrain from making a Battlewagon a tank in purpouse primarily. I may happily add tanky bits, but only around the idea of the battlewagon housing a precious cargo inside.

As for why Trukks are more popular... I suppose there are two reasons. Firstly, their price allows for several to be cheaply incorporated into an army. For 140pts you can have four of them, barring upgrades. Battlewagons are considerably more point heavy when having multiples. Secondly, Trukks, with their speed, relatively cheap price, and open topped nature, are immense aid to the Ork mechanic of momentum, which is a very large and centric pillar that the codex revolves around.

Battlewagons

Trukks are too easy to kill and can only carry 12 models. You just can't get enough boyz on the field using trucks and if you do invest in 6 squads with trukks....a good number of them will probably end up walking.

Plus it's easier for them to be knocked to below 10 models and then loose fearless.

Too much risk for almost no gain. Battlewagons are just better.

Alright, I think I'm going to eventually field a Battle Wagon of Sluggas witha Boss Pole Klaw Nob followed by Sloggin Shootas using the wagon as cover.

Eventually I'll get a KFF model, and have him lead some 'Ard Boys. For extra 'ardiness when I'm being shot at as I close in for Assault.

I might make two list with both strategies using slugga models as shootas till I get a vibe I like, as the place I go to is lenient with Proxies.

BTW, whats the dimentions of Battle Wagons and Trukks in case I proxie them? If one gaurdsman can augment his troops with empty bases with stick figures taped to them, I'm sure my crew will cut me some slack until I get actual models. Hell, I have some model trucks (not trukks) that might even fit the size. x3

ICSP wrote:Alright, I think I'm going to eventually field a Battle Wagon of Shootas witha Boss Pole Klaw Nob followed by fire-support Lootas using the wagon as cover.

Fixed your quote.

Kharrak wrote:You can use it as a gunwagon for lootas - in which case it would remain stationary, literally just serving as a bunker.

Why would you ever want to do that? Putting those lootaz in a battlewagon rather than simply in any piece of terrain is a downgrade, not an upgrade. A single glancing hit wil prevent 225 points of lootaz and about 100 points of battlewagon from doing anything for a turn. If you put those 15 lootaz in terrain instead, your opponent might kill a few, but can't prevent them from shooting.

Considering the poor ballistic skill of orks, I would certainly refrain from making a Battlewagon a tank in purpouse primarily. I may happily add tanky bits, but only around the idea of the battlewagon housing a precious cargo inside.

Less a problem of BS2, but rather the problem of the battlewagon having no decent weapons outside of a kannon and big shootaz. And orks really don't lack anti-infantry capabilities, so there is not point in fielding such a battlewagon.

As for why Trukks are more popular... I suppose there are two reasons. Firstly, their price allows for several to be cheaply incorporated into an army. For 140pts you can have four of them, barring upgrades. Battlewagons are considerably more point heavy when having multiples. Secondly, Trukks, with their speed, relatively cheap price, and open topped nature, are immense aid to the Ork mechanic of momentum, which is a very large and centric pillar that the codex revolves around.

I really don't think that trukks are as popular as GW wants to make players believe. You need a lot of trukks to field a semi-decent army, resulting in high money costs. Two or three trukks are not going to do anything, so almost every ork player has some trukks gathering dust on their shelves.

ICSP wrote:Alright, I think I'm going to eventually field a Battle Wagon of Sluggas witha Boss Pole Klaw Nob followed by Sloggin Shootas using the wagon as cover.

One of the most important rules for any working ork army is not mixing fast and slow units. Either put all your boys in battlewagons or have all of them footslogging.
The reason for this is called target saturation. If you opponent has marines with two lascannons and two heavy bolters, all those four expensive guns would be able to shot something they are good at killing. If you field all boyz on foot, those lascannons can kill a single ork maximum, if you field two battlewagons, those heavy bolters will simply plonk of your armor. Either way, your opponent has two useless guns.

Eventually I'll get a KFF model, and have him lead some 'Ard Boys. For extra 'ardiness when I'm being shot at as I close in for Assault.

'ard boyz are generally not a good unit. Many weapons which are good at killing orks ignore 4+ armor anyways, like heavy flamers, assault cannons, heavy bolters and about any ordinance gun. If you use the points to buy more boyz, your opponent will still have to shoot you twice as often to kill everything, but those extra orks can shoot and fight in close combat, while 'eavy armor can not.

I might make two list with both strategies using slugga models as shootas till I get a vibe I like, as the place I go to is lenient with Proxies.

BTW, whats the dimentions of Battle Wagons and Trukks in case I proxie them? If one gaurdsman can augment his troops with empty bases with stick figures taped to them, I'm sure my crew will cut me some slack until I get actual models. Hell, I have some model trucks (not trukks) that might even fit the size. x3

The battlewagon is 6"x3", with the passenger compartment being 3,5" across. The deff rolla is another 1,5" added to the front. Trukks should be 2.5"x3" but not 100% sure on that one.

The job of the wagon is to go 13" per turn smashing stuff with it's deffrolla until it's boys or nobs can jump out and assault things. Think with your deffrolla.

The question should really be are deffrollas worth it? If you're actually asking that question you probably shouldn't be playing orks.

Jidmah wrote:

Kharrak wrote:You can use it as a gunwagon for lootas - in which case it would remain stationary, literally just serving as a bunker.

Why would you ever want to do that? Putting those lootaz in a battlewagon rather than simply in any piece of terrain is a downgrade, not an upgrade. A single glancing hit wil prevent 225 points of lootaz and about 100 points of battlewagon from doing anything for a turn. If you put those 15 lootaz in terrain instead, your opponent might kill a few, but can't prevent them from shooting.

Don't ask me, I've never seen the value of doing it, partly for the reasons you name, and partly because I'd much rather use the BW for something else
That said, I've seen people recommend it quite often both here and on Warseer, and I've encountered it a few times as well.

I also agree with Ard Boyz. While they do perform better in close combat to a degree, the cost it incurs isn't entirely worth it.

Also, while Deffrollas are fantastic, remember that against Eldar, Dark Eldar, and Nids, you're losing a lot of the use.

Not really for nids. Deff rollas still instant-death things like warriors or the doom of malan'tai.

My battlewagons usually come with grabbin' klaws and planks, so no cake for skimmer-races, even if they dodge the rolla.

Honestly I would prefer if people would stop using wagons for a bit (yes I realize that deff rollas are one of the few things for AV14)

Its either that or kanwall for a lot of peeps. Gets a little tiring after a while

Trukk spam lists are a lot harder to use and a lot less forgiving imo, but much more satisfying if things go right.

"Much more satisfying" is a matter of personal taste. I love fielding battlewagons, and would probably do so if they weren't that good.

I for one love and hate def rollas.. Love the ida of them running over guys but sad when I watched one drive over 2 squads of my purifiers :"( lol

I think you would call both technicals. The term battlewagon or gun trukk could be used for both as well.

As long as you have loads of either I am sure you'll be fine.

5 trukks or 2 BW and 3 trukks or 3 BW and 2 trukks or 4 BW
Sprinkle with rocket buggies to add more targets.

Alright guys, I'm new to the game. So id probably use the Trukks/Wagons wrong anyways. But the vibe I'm getting is this: If I'm gonna slog, slog everyone. If I'm gonna use trukks and or wagons, use a lot of them.

Those of you who opt to use trukks or wagons, how much point wise do you recomend investing in?

ICSP wrote:Alright guys, I'm new to the game. So id probably use the Trukks/Wagons wrong anyways. But the vibe I'm getting is this: If I'm gonna slog, slog everyone. If I'm gonna use trukks and or wagons, use a lot of them.

Those of you who opt to use trukks or wagons, how much point wise do you recomend investing in?

Wagon - Red Paint, Deff Rolla, Big Shoota (so weapon-destroyed doesn't immobilze you), and a grot rigger if you feel like it.

Trukk - I don't use them sooooo...nothing?

TBH, I've never actually seen an ork player using trukks before, and there's quite a few ork players that I see regularly. Perhaps it's just my area that doesn't like them.

p_gray99 wrote:TBH, I've never actually seen an ork player using trukks before, and there's quite a few ork players that I see regularly. Perhaps it's just my area that doesn't like them.

I am fairly new to the game. And I agree. I've not seen many firsthand accounts of Ork Trukkers. Most of the advice I get suggest trukks are better than wagons overall, but I get this advice from Non-Ork players... much like my recomendations for 'Ard Boyz...

Sluggas vs Shootas seems to go both ways.

ICSP wrote:Sluggas vs Shootas seems to go both ways.

Shootas still get 3 attacks on the charge and a mob of 20 still puts out a ton of damage (besides it's the PK Nob you care about right?). And against some things out there the shoota is more useful because there are things you don't want to assault (purifiers, paladins, C'tan w/ Gaze of Death, etc).

And I have no idea why I don't see more Lootas out there. 15+ of those guys in an ork list are just MEAN.

ICSP wrote:Alright guys, I'm new to the game. So id probably use the Trukks/Wagons wrong anyways. But the vibe I'm getting is this: If I'm gonna slog, slog everyone. If I'm gonna use trukks and or wagons, use a lot of them.

Those of you who opt to use trukks or wagons, how much point wise do you recomend investing in?

I run my wagons with Deffrollaz, xtra armor (so you are always movin), 1x Big shoota (for reasons already mentioned), and grot riggaz (this has saved my nob wagon more than once), Ill also occasionally throw on a kannon (as the frag round is only Str4 so it counts as defensive). I run 3 one with tricked out nobz and boss, one with a full complement of shootas, and one with 10 or so burna boyz and a KFF.

My trukks take nothing but a Ram, so I can reroll my difficult terrain tests (my whole army pretty much ignores terrain, which is good cause we play with quite a bit). Stick 12 sluggas with a Klaw nob and your good to go!

Agree to Shake Zoola on everything, including the kannon. If you take them, you may blow up a vehicle by fluke or kill some infantry, but if you don't you'll probably not miss them. A nice place to sink points if you have some left.

Nungunz wrote:

ICSP wrote:Sluggas vs Shootas seems to go both ways.

Shootas still get 3 attacks on the charge and a mob of 20 still puts out a ton of damage (besides it's the PK Nob you care about right?). And against some things out there the shoota is more useful because there are things you don't want to assault (purifiers, paladins, C'tan w/ Gaze of Death, etc).

Sluggas are a bit better at killing things with good saves, like terminators, marines or necrons. When fielding battlewagons I usually go with one of each and match them against whatever they are better at killing. With trukks, sluggas are always the first choice, as you simply need every attack you can get. I would always pick shootaz over sluggas for footslogger, however there is not a huge gap.

And I have no idea why I don't see more Lootas out there. 15+ of those guys in an ork list are just MEAN.

Simple really. Burnaz are also mean, as are kommandoz. And Nobz probably kill a kitten and shove an orphan (with a powerklaw) before breakfast. If we had unlimited elite slots there would be many more lootaz

Wagon = Designed to be a faster delivery system for the boys, When armed with Deff Rolla (which should be always T.T) this vehicle becomes a dependable destroyer of tanks or causing break tests and chewing through anything that stands in the way of the orks.

IMO Wagon is superior for tactics or forcing your enemy to deal with a threat, Many people load mega nobz or basic boyz (this is even more evident as 10 less orks is ALMOST an even trade for the wagon for no upgrades. and our stuff is dirt cheap)

Trukks = Much more specialized, against armies that can't deal well with even a few orks making it to their front lines (I.E. Eldar, Ig & Tau) the trukk becomes a dire threat due to speed and spammablity. Think of it like zerg rushing, against a effective fighting commander he can deal with it... but against your standard player seeing 6+ trukks on the field makes them nervous.

One of my favorite battles was taking a battlewagon with KFF and 4 trukks surrounding it's back and flanks. I gave red paint to my wagon and not my trukks thus everyone would still be within 6 inchs of the Battlewagon after round 1. On round 2 the trukks exploded out from the bubble, popped out the flood of boys in various directions and waaghed into combat. This let my wagon find the most appetizing target that escaped my wrath and run it down round 3.

I agree with the majority of people here, 12 orks isn't enough for a squad you have to be really confident luck is on your side or spam enough that something is going to get through and break the enemy. But this is primarily designed against gunlines.

My preference? Foot slogged & Kan wall > Trukk Rush

The battlewagon is meant to be taken with the Deffrolla. It also delievers a mob of boyz or nobs straight into battle, or acts as a mobile firing platform for Burnas.

They are good when taken in multiples.

For wagons, you should have at least three, or four if you can squeeze it in or are playing at higher points. I like to use a single trukk for a MANz (mega armoured nobz) missile. It hides behind my battlewagons, until it can rocket into something and kill it. But the main reason i have them is because i converted some pretty sweet MANz, and i hate wasting them.

Big Mek Wurrzog wrote:I agree with the majority of people here, 12 orks isn't enough for a squad you have to be really confident luck is on your side or spam enough that something is going to get through and break the enemy. But this is primarily designed against gunlines.

The "trick" with trukks is to throw two units of them at any given target. That way you basically have a unit of 24 with two powerklaws or 15 with four powerklaws in combat.

loota boy wrote:For wagons, you should have at least three, or four if you can squeeze it in or are playing at higher points. I like to use a single trukk for a MANz (mega armoured nobz) missile. It hides behind my battlewagons, until it can rocket into something and kill it. But the main reason i have them is because i converted some pretty sweet MANz, and i hate wasting them.

Yeah, MANz are the only things powerful enough to be good while in the small numbers that can fit onto a trukk.
Also, I have yet to see some meganobz that actually look awesome, most just look Ok at best? Do you have any pictures on the gallery?

I don't, but i'll see if i can get some pictures up. Only two are painted, but they are the better looking of the three. They are just regular nobz, but i put on various plated bitz, and they look pretty sexy now.