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This is my first shot at a list, any rules infractions are out of ignorance, please let me know how to improve this list.
REVISED LIST:

Newest:

HQ:
Librarian - termie armor 125

Elites
Terminator Assault Squad x5 TH/SS
Dread - TL Auto / TL Auto - 125
Dread - TL Auto / TL Auto -125

Troops:
Tac squad x 10 -rhino, ml, melta 210
Tac Squad x 10 -rhino, ml, melta 210
Tac Squad x 10 -rhino, ml, flamer, combi-melta 215

Fast Attack:
Landspeeder - Typhoon 90
Landspeeder - Typhoon 90
Landspeeder - 2x multi melta 80
HS:
Land Raider multi-melta - 260
Predator Autocannon/sponsoon lascannons 120

Original List:HQ:
Librarian - termie armor 125

Elites
Dread - ML / TL Las Cannon - 145
Dread - TL Auto / TL Auto - 125
Dread - ML / TL Auto -125

Troops:
Tac squad x 10 -rhino, ml, flamer, combi- melta -215
Tac squad x 10 -rhino, ml, flamer 205
Tac Squad x 10 -rhino, ml, flamer 205
Tac Squad x 10 -rhino, ml, flamer 205

HS:
Land Raider 250
Land Raider 250

My main concern at this point is that my HQ does not gel with the rest of my list, but he seems to be the only hq worth taking. Let me know what you guys think. Going for a shooty list, tac squads obviously to go for objectives. LR's to take pressure off of the dreads.

Just curious, why landraider if you don't have anything to put in them for cc. Why not just get landspeeders or predators?

I was hoping the 14/14/14 would take pressure off of my dreads allowing them to do work. If i decided to drop the LR's I would probably grab speeders and a pred or 2.

Prob is if there isn't anything in the raider most will ignore it since it doesnt have a lot of shots.

Perhaps I perceived the raiders as being bigger threats than they actually are. 3 lascannons that can fire at 2 different targets, right? I would've thought that people would go after them and allow my dreads to be left relatively unscathed. I can drop 1 dread, drop 1 raider, add some termies and some landspeeders depending on points? Would that be better, then i still have 1 LR with termies in it, and the librarian has somewhere to go.

Well think about it from this standpoint.. a 250 pts lascanon who is AV14 or the shots from an AV12.. who do I have the best shot of dropping? Once thats done go after troops so it can get easy kp or stop you from getting objectives.

Erm, i would drop one Land Raider for a squad of Terminator assault marines. That way, your Librarian has a unit to sit in, and you can assault out of your other Land Raider.

Another point, you have alot of Marines. On the one hand, its great because you have alot of scoring units, but you can expand and go with other, more interesting and fun models. Maybe bike squads or speeders?

What you have is a basic list, a valiant attemp at a first list, my advice is go with what you like. Bikes, speeders, tanks? who cares, as long as you like it you'll find a way to kick some butt and have fun

my question to you - Do you already own this list? If you own 2x land raiders, its kind of impractical for me to say something like "swap them out for 3x predators!"

If you do own them, your best bet is to pick up 2 boxes of assault terminators, and drop a dread, a tac squad, and half another tac squad to fit them in. Convert the 5 man tac squad's rhino to a razorback. Find a way to get multimeltas on your raiders.

This will leave you with 2x dreads, 2x raiders full of terminators, and 25 marines. Your goal would be to chill at range, pop transports with lascannon shots from the tacs / land raiders / dreads, then go in for the kill with the terminators once their transports are down.

You could also use the terminators for counter-charge, if playing an assaulty based army.

How does this look in comparison? I have 15/25 pts to play with. Alternatively i could drop 1 speeder and give the other 2 typhoons, I honestly have no idea if that would be worth it though. Speeders give the enemy something else to look at, but armor 10 is so easy to bring down. Let me know what you guys think abour this revision.

HQ:
Librarian - termie armor 125

Elites
Terminator Assault Squad x5 TH/SS
Dread - ML / TL Auto - 125
Dread - ML / TL Auto -125

Troops:
Tac squad x 10 -rhino, ml, flamer, combi- melta -215
Tac squad x 10 -rhino, ml, flamer 205
Tac Squad x 10 -rhino, ml, flamer 205
Tac Squad x 10 -rhino, ml, flamer 205

Fast Attack:
Landspeeder - multi melta 60
Landspeeder - multi melta 60
Landspeeder - multi melta 60

HS:
Land Raider 250


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And no, I only own 1 land raider, this is more of a "I just started playing, I want to get a list in mind so I don't wind up spending $500 on an army that I hate" list.

Suks wrote:How does this look in comparison? I have 15/25 pts to play with. Alternatively i could drop 1 speeder and give the other 2 typhoons, I honestly have no idea if that would be worth it though. Speeders give the enemy something else to look at, but armor 10 is so easy to bring down. Let me know what you guys think abour this revision.

HQ:
Librarian - termie armor 125

Elites
Terminator Assault Squad x5 TH/SS
Dread - ML / TL Auto - 125
Dread - ML / TL Auto -125

Drop the missile launchers for secondary TL autocannons. ML are overpriced as gak.

Troops:
Tac squad x 10 -rhino, ml, flamer, combi- melta -215
Tac squad x 10 -rhino, ml, flamer 205
Tac Squad x 10 -rhino, ml, flamer 205
Tac Squad x 10 -rhino, ml, flamer 205

Tac squads are pretty bad in general. I'd only take 2 squads in rhinos, and a 5 man squad in a razor in most games. I mean they aren't useless, but for the cost points could be better spent elsewhere.

Fast Attack:
Landspeeder - multi melta 60
Landspeeder - multi melta 60
Landspeeder - multi melta 60

I like typhoons way more... the extra 24" range means they can chill beyond small arms range, so if the enemy shoots at them he has to use dedicated long ranged antitank weapons.

HS:
Land Raider 250

Get a multimelta for it!

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And no, I only own 1 land raider, this is more of a "I just started playing, I want to get a list in mind so I don't wind up spending $500 on an army that I hate" list.

The only reason I included so many tac squads is because I thought in an 1850 point game I would want at least 4 scoring units in a Take all comers list. I can drop 1-2, but is that advisable? How many scoring units should I be running with?

The reason I settled on 2 squads of 10 and 1 squad of 5, is because with a max of 5 objectives in a game, I can combat squad and have 5 scoring units. I rarely use my tac squads for direct combat, they are more for fire support and sitting on an objective. In the case of a 5 objective mission, I'd keep the razorback on 1 objective, have the missile combat squads on foot running towards the nearest objectives, and the flamer combat squads in rhinos rolling towards enemy objectives, backed up by the land raider full of terminators and any and all fire support I can muster.

Tac marines, for their cost, are just not very good against a lot of enemy units in the game. Against weak enemies, they are fine, but they just aren't as good as blood angel or space wolf troops, and they are not as good as ork boys. They can add a little bit of support, but thats about it.

Newest:

HQ:
Librarian - termie armor 125

Elites
Terminator Assault Squad x5 TH/SS
Dread - TL Auto / TL Auto - 125
Dread - TL Auto / TL Auto -125

Troops:
Tac squad x 10 -rhino, ml, flamer 205
Tac Squad x 10 -rhino, ml, flamer 205
Tac Squad x 10 -rhino, ml, flamer 205

Fast Attack:
Landspeeder - Typhoon 90
Landspeeder - Typhoon 90
Landspeeder - Typhoon 90

HS:
Land Raider multi-melta - 260
Predator Autocannon/sponsoon lascannons 120

Thoughts?

Looks like it should do very, very well.

You have at range:

9 missile launcher shots
10 autocannon shots
4 lascannon shots

The only thing I would be concerned about is the lack of melta weaponry in the list. Consider dropping the terminator armor off the librarian, and replacing your flamers with meltas. The missiles and autocannons can do quite well against hordes, the flamers probably won't be needed as much.

Suks wrote:Newest:

HQ:
Librarian - termie armor 125

Elites
Terminator Assault Squad x5 TH/SS
Dread - TL Auto / TL Auto - 125
Dread - TL Auto / TL Auto -125

Troops:
Tac squad x 10 -rhino, ml, flamer 205
Tac Squad x 10 -rhino, ml, flamer 205
Tac Squad x 10 -rhino, ml, flamer 205

Fast Attack:
Landspeeder - Typhoon 90
Landspeeder - Typhoon 90
Landspeeder - Typhoon 90

HS:
Land Raider multi-melta - 260
Predator Autocannon/sponsoon lascannons 120

Thoughts?

Looks pretty good, your 10pts shy of 1,850 so I'd throw on the Hunter-Killer Missile to the Predator for the last 10pts to bring you up to 1850.


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Horst wrote:The only thing I would be concerned about is the lack of melta weaponry in the list. Consider dropping the terminator armor off the librarian, and replacing your flamers with meltas. The missiles and autocannons can do quite well against hordes, the flamers probably won't be needed as much.

I think that was so he could fit the other units into the list. Trying to min/max it to get as much out as he could. In this vein, he could drop one of the Land Speeders down to a regular to afford those metla weapons. Just an idea.

This adds a few meltas, looking good?

HQ:
Librarian - termie armor 125

Elites
Terminator Assault Squad x5 TH/SS
Dread - TL Auto / TL Auto - 125
Dread - TL Auto / TL Auto -125

Troops:
Tac squad x 10 -rhino, ml, melta 210
Tac Squad x 10 -rhino, ml, melta 210
Tac Squad x 10 -rhino, ml, flamer, combi-melta 215

Fast Attack:
Landspeeder - Typhoon 90
Landspeeder - Typhoon 90
Landspeeder - 2x multi melta 80
HS:
Land Raider multi-melta - 260
Predator Autocannon/sponsoon lascannons 120

I quite like it., looks pretty good.

What powers on the libby? I'd assume null zone + avenger, though with terminator armor vortex of doom becomes viable.

Horst wrote:I quite like it., looks pretty good.

What powers on the libby? I'd assume null zone + avenger, though with terminator armor vortex of doom becomes viable.

Null zone is the only one that I'm 100% on. I don't have the codex in front of me, so I'll have to look at it tonight and decide on the other.

Suks wrote:This adds a few meltas, looking good?

HQ:
Librarian - termie armor 125

Elites
Terminator Assault Squad x5 TH/SS
Dread - TL Auto / TL Auto - 125
Dread - TL Auto / TL Auto -125

Troops:
Tac squad x 10 -rhino, ml, melta 210
Tac Squad x 10 -rhino, ml, melta 210
Tac Squad x 10 -rhino, ml, flamer, combi-melta 215

Fast Attack:
Landspeeder - Typhoon 90
Landspeeder - Typhoon 90
Landspeeder - 2x multi melta 80
HS:
Land Raider multi-melta - 260
Predator Autocannon/sponsoon lascannons 120

Looking pretty good. Its a great start for your army have fun with it!
I like taking Vortex of Doom for my librarian. Its awesome when it hits and even funnier when your psychic test fails and it wipes your squad But im a cynic, choose what you want!

I might swtich the Combi-melta into a combi-flamer to have that unit pure anti infantry/Horde.

Like the new list

I would like to find the points to put a combimelta in each of the rhinos, not sure where do do that.
It would be really pleasing if you could get 3 dreads instead of 2 dreads and a pred. or maybe 2 dreads and 2 preds so your pred is not alone.
Extra armour on raiders seems to work well.

So the only free change I would think about is some LCs on the assault squad, essentially they will be assaulting from the raider and you'll choose their target so SS/TH is not so needed whereas extra cc ability would be nice.